Spraying near a drinking water supply

[ollie989898]

Didn’t the OP say the Spring was the other side of a hedge, on someone else’s land?

Are we all to have a wander round our neighbour’s fields in order to map them? Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to know there was a Spring there, and possibly not then if it’s a piped Spring that’s covered over, as drinking water ones usually are.

But why not let the TFF Kangaroo Court try the case. Guilty in my book, send him down.

I blame the organic farmer next door.... Tipped all that lindane and aldrin in that corner under the hedge. Twas them that did it.

 

[Still Farming]

Didn’t the OP say the Spring was the other side of a hedge, on someone else’s land?

Are we all to have a wander round our neighbour’s fields in order to map them? Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to know there was a Spring there, and possibly not then if it’s a piped Spring that’s covered over, as drinking water ones usually are.

But why not let the TFF Kangaroo Court try the case. Guilty in my book, send him down.

Who know's what ?
Think only half the story explained possibly in the beginning?

 

[Ukjay]

The occupiers, landlord or tenant ,engaging spray contractor or doing it themselves should know the land?
Think porkies going on somewhere???

Geez, and here was me thinking I was the only one who was thinking that.

 

[Ukjay]

Didn’t the OP say the Spring was the other side of a hedge, on someone else’s land?

Are we all to have a wander round our neighbour’s fields in order to map them? Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to know there was a Spring there, and possibly not then if it’s a piped Spring that’s covered over, as drinking water ones usually are.

But why not let the TFF Kangaroo Court try the case. Guilty in my book, send him down.

I can only speak from my training experience, but we were trained to look over the hedges etc, as some chems have different clauses etc, so it was deemed the appropriate method for due dilligence RA.

Obviously there is the JFDI approach, but as the OP knows there is a spring, and then states the contractor is definitely not at fault - this therefore shows there is more to this than the OP....

Also - we asked for a photo, still nothing...

 

[richard hammond]

There are lots of glyphosate formulations with 360 in the name. It's the most common strength. It would be best to know exactly what product was used.

Was aquatic use specified on label , was permission obtained from EA just a thought, was best practise / Environmental Risk Assessment carried out!

 

[Ukjay]

Was aquatic use specified on label , was permission obtained from EA just a thought, was best practise / Environmental Risk Assessment carried out!

Errm - looking unlikely if the OP is now panicing

 

[David.]

It's starting to get a feint whiff of deceased equine about it...

 

[milkloss]

I wouldn’t blame the op if he had decided to go quiet on this one. There’s some posters being a bit pushy and adversarial under the guise of being helpful so I think it’s best for him to stfu.

It is possible that someone could have no knowledge of a spring or borehole on the other side of a hedge and it’s a genuine mistake.

 

[Ukjay]

I wouldn’t blame the op if he had decided to go quiet on this one. There’s some posters being a bit pushy and adversarial under the guise of being helpful so I think it’s best for him to stfu.

It is possible that someone could have no knowledge of a spring or borehole on the other side of a hedge and it’s a genuine mistake.

Ignorance is bliss then...

Sorry - but for me, if you are in the line of business selling your Skills as a professional contractor for this kind of work - then the rules are the rules, and should be adhered with.

Far too many users are complacent and it will only end in far more stringent laws being imposed as a consequence, which will cause even more stress and angst for farmers in todays world.

 

[milkloss]

Ignorance is bliss then...

Sorry - but for me, if you are in the line of business selling your Skills as a professional contractor for this kind of work - then the rules are the rules, and should be adhered with.

Far too many users are complacent and it will only end in far more stringent laws being imposed as a consequence, which will cause even more stress and angst for farmers in todays world.

No point being hypothetical and getting all excited about fabricated situations, all it’s doing is drawing attention to the op’s issues which might not turn out to be a problem at all.

Fake news basically and all it’s going to do is wind up all and sundry over what is so far a non issue. Wait for facts and then advise would be my advice, keep calm and don’t cause a commotion.

Carry on folks.

 

[ollie989898]

Not being funny, but are springs marked on OS maps, or would there necessarily even be anything above ground to see if the water is piped away underground to where it is used?

And now you mention it, and just for my own personal edification you understand ; if you did happen to have a dead horse on your hands, how big a buffer zone would you need to consider before dumping it under the hedge next to your neighbours borehole? Would it be larger or smaller if your relationship with him was less than favourable?

Of course, the thing to do might be to plough the field pronto and then claim the contractor never went nowhere near that hedge because he ran out of chemical before he got to that bout....

Of course, with LI700 being so good at sorting out the cations in your water, if it ends up descaling the blokes washing machine I should be sending him a bill for it toot suite like- its doesn't' grow on trees you know.

 

[B'o'B]

Not being funny, but are springs marked on OS maps, or would there necessarily even be anything above ground to see if the water is piped away underground to where it is used?

And now you mention it, and just for my own personal edification you understand ; if you did happen to have a dead horse on your hands, how big a buffer zone would you need to consider before dumping it under the hedge next to your neighbours borehole? Would it be larger or smaller if your relationship with him was less than favourable?

Of course, the thing to do might be to plough the field pronto and then claim the contractor never went nowhere near that hedge because he ran out of chemical before he got to that bout....

I needed to ask the EA to get a definitive answer for our farm, as they (should) know where drinking water springs and boreholes are. OS maps do mark a few springs but not many and defiantly not even close to all of them.

I'm not sure that the advice given in the Code of Practice is relevant here as I am not convinced that Glyphosate is defined as a "long-lasting pesticides" or a "pesticide that can spread".

Aquatic use would also not appear to be relevant to the situation described by the OP as the pesticide was not applied to surface water or the area adjacent to surface water.

I did I read that the owner of the spring rents the adjacent land out to the OP? If so did they inform the OP that there was a drinking water spring over the hedge and prohibit the use of pesticides within a specified distance of the spring at the time of letting?

 

[Bury the Trash]

No point being hypothetical and getting all excited about fabricated situations, all it’s doing is drawing attention to the op’s issues which might not turn out to be a problem at all.

Fake news basically and all it’s going to do is wind up all and sundry over what is so far a non issue. Wait for facts and then advise would be my advice, keep calm and don’t cause a commotion.

Carry on folks.

Did you ever sort that Allman tank out ? I've seen a couple of 12m ones for sale recently as it happens on facebook farmers free ads iirc ...dont see them very often otherwise.

 

[milkloss]

Did you ever sort that Allman tank out ? I've seen a couple of 12m ones for sale recently as it happens on facebook farmers free ads iirc

I did thanks. Bought a plastic welder with a selection of rods and with a bit of testing discovered it was LDPE plastic. Welded it up and hasn’t been any trouble since, I did sort the band out that holds the tank as I think it was stressing the tank at the point where it split.

 

[Ukjay]

No point being hypothetical and getting all excited about fabricated situations, all it’s doing is drawing attention to the op’s issues which might not turn out to be a problem at all.

Fake news basically and all it’s going to do is wind up all and sundry over what is so far a non issue. Wait for facts and then advise would be my advice, keep calm and don’t cause a commotion.

Carry on folks.

Not hypothetical at all but maybe some ignorance to dealing with chems is noticeable.
It has been asked several times for photos, more data - nada!
If you are worried about something like this - then either provide deeper data, or be very careful putting it on Social Media IMHO...

 

[milkloss]

Not hypothetical at all but maybe some ignorance to dealing with chems is noticeable.
It has been asked several times for photos, more data - nada!
If you are worried about something like this - then either provide deeper data, or be very careful putting it on Social Media IMHO...

Fair play, I know you are trying to help in your own way but I’m thinking photos and more info at this point after what has been suggested would be a bad move on a public forum.

 

[Ukjay]

Fair play, I know you are trying to help in your own way but I’m thinking photos and more info at this point after what has been suggested would be a bad move on a public forum.

Yes, I think we all concur now