Stick your finger in the air ….

[ski]

No still can't see it. Current "events" are making shocking headlines but most people will barely notice. So much of the UK's rural policy is tied up with moral crusades of one sort or another its going to take more than 10% on the price of people's shopping baskets to make a difference. Empty shelves and then I reckon things might start to change but that's never going to happen in the UK.

History is mostly made up of unexpected events.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Yawn.
Do Friends of the Earth set your milk price ? Do Greenpeace tell Govt to let US beef in ? I can show you report after report from environmental bodies setting out the case for increasing home production. The environmental movement is not your enemy.

Unfortunately you are cherry picking.

Government Environmental policy and the media which work hand-in-hand, has been to blame farmers for pollution of all kinds.

Whilst Water Companies, Corporations and Government agencies make money and cause pollution.

All in the name of the Environment.

Note that NO environmental group has supported farmers during these times, all they can see is the £££££££££££££££££££££

 

[wanton dwarf]

Over regulation?? Red Tractor wet dream, you just watch

Market activity looks okay, may I even say worthwhile ?

However, Boris Johnson & Westminster on the whole have no fear in destroying industry after industry - so the reality is regulation of which George Eustice is more than happy to wear the blinkers to achieve United Nations Agendas - ie rewilding+population movement (Agenda 21), Climate Change, Environmentalism, Making the West poorer etc.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I like this post. Lots in there that it’s difficult to argue with. Only thing is, individual farmers will respond to the new era in individual ways. We’re not one homogenous mass no matter how many people call us "an industry". We’ll all react differently. To quote my favourite film; we’re all individuals.

I'm not

 

[DaveGrohl]

I'm not

Yaay, got a bite at last

 

[devonbeef]

On bbc main online news feed today,reporting on India is going to take up wheat supply slack!!!!!!!! They reckon can feed another billion mouths, Boris will be happy.

 

[devonbeef]

sorry had enough to feed 1.4 billion, which i guess would include their own

 

[Muddyroads]

On bbc main online news feed today,reporting on India is going to take up wheat supply slack!!!!!!!! They reckon can feed another billion mouths, Boris will be happy.

So why will we be giving them £55.3 million in aid this year?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Starting to wonder what the point of this forum is.

I guess it's to supply farmers with agreement that their job/business doesn't necessarily supply them with?

Thinking about it, most people's idea of success is really a function of agreement, without agreement (like working your scones off to be paid never-quite-enough) then the palpable feeling of success isn't really "there", even if you're already successful. Which we are.

so, we have a moan about something, someone agrees or gives your post a like, and you get that wee dose of affirmation/agreement that you wanted - success!

That's what I think it's for, anyway.

Otherwise it really just occurs as resigned, cynical people giving their closest competitors woeful advice about farming stuff, and knocking 7 shades of shite out of each other over the pettiest of things

 

[devonbeef]

So why will we be giving them £55.3 million in aid this year?

It does not mention that, of course

 

[som farmer]

I suppose we discuss the weather a lot because it affects yields........and thus profits.
And discussing produce and input prices on here is apparently " moaning ".
Starting to wonder what the point of this forum is.

we love moaning about the weather, l mean, what else would replace that hobby ?
input prices, and output prices, are important, it gives farmers some sort of base price to work from.
But its biggest factor, you can throw in the 'odd' controversial idea, and see what comments come back, and plenty of other ideas out there.
A knowledge trading hub, without reps etc, not promoting them, or supporting those ideas

 

[devonbeef]

we love moaning about the weather, l mean, what else would replace that hobby ?
input prices, and output prices, are important, it gives farmers some sort of base price to work from.
But its biggest factor, you can throw in the 'odd' controversial idea, and see what comments come back, and plenty of other ideas out there.
A knowledge trading hub, without reps etc, not promoting them, or supporting those ideas

A way of letting know government all is not as clear cut as they think, a way farmers can show solidarity against crack pot ideas of different Government dept, EA,red tractor gold plating, Discussing out of touch with reality and often damaging articles and interviews which our farmers union seem to make on a regular basis .I would say on the big issues there is generally agreement within us proper working farmers /farm staff (And ollie989898 and others which live in real world).

 

[som farmer]

A way of letting know government all is not as clear cut as they think, a way farmers can show solidarity against crack pot ideas of different Government dept, EA,red tractor gold plating, Discussing out of touch with reality and often damaging articles and interviews which our farmers union seem to make on a regular basis .I would say on the big issues there is generally agreement within us proper working farmers /farm staff (And ollie989898 and others which live in real world).

would be interesting to know, who monitors this forum, without being in ag profession, you can be pretty sure it is monitored, and by some, we would rather not.

 

[devonbeef]

would be interesting to know, who monitors this forum, without being in ag profession, you can be pretty sure it is monitored, and by some, we would rather not.

I am sure it is monitored by Government, and other non friendly fire too.

 

[ollie989898]

You need only look at the past performance of the UK government and that of the EU central government when it comes to agricultural policy. They invent policies and react far too late. Then let them go with the wind until they realise they have cost a fortune and had some kind of unintended consequence.

The UK government in particular seems to be trying to please all stakeholders when approaching any issue. This can't be done. Take TB as an example. It's a nasty disease that infects wildlife and causes a miserable death, whilst remaining a costly and time consuming PITA for the tax payer and industry alike. Yet they can't grasp the issue and have a drive on eradicating it because some muppet like Goldsmith will kick up a stink.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

You need only look at the past performance of the UK government and that of the EU central government when it comes to agricultural policy. They invent policies and react far too late. Then let them go with the wind until they realise they have cost a fortune and had some kind of unintended consequence.

The UK government in particular seems to be trying to please all stakeholders when approaching any issue. This can't be done. Take TB as an example. It's a nasty disease that infects wildlife and causes a miserable death, whilst remaining a costly and time consuming PITA for the tax payer and industry alike. Yet they can't grasp the issue and have a drive on eradicating it because some muppet like Goldsmith will kick up a stink.

One glaring problem in today's society is that far too many believe in the myth of "our government" / "works for us, we pay their wages" which is really pure superstition:
the reality is much different, "The Government" is pure theatre, and they are systematically working against you and I.

The world's governments are working for some people, make no mistake about that; but they aren't steering your ship into a favourable position - rather "aiming it at the icebergs" would be a better analogy.

Even something as helpful as stimulus or bounce-back loans, because everyone really needed more debt and inflation whilst headed for an economic holocaust? Everyone needs a little less freedom year on year?

And everyone pays for that, because some people keep on buying it.

 

[deleted user 436632456]

Farming shall rise again

There is a lot of environmental/government policy nonsense out there that doesn't hold any true long term value, if you believe in 'the truth always comes out in the end' then... patience. Eventually the true value of farming will return..

"Hey Tommy, I didn't hear no bell"

 

[DaveGrohl]

Farming shall rise again

There is a lot of environmental/government policy nonsense out there that doesn't hold any true long term value, if you believe in 'the truth always comes out in the end' then... patience. Eventually the true value of farming will return..

"Hey Tommy, I didn't hear no bell"

Yes. But I feel like I’ve been waiting for this to happen my whole life. I doubt even the current events will truly drive the lessons home, gonna have to wait another couple of decades yet imho.

 

[Bill the Bass]

….. and tell me what you think will happen to U.K. agriculture over the next five years.

IF the government wakes up - and it’s a big IF - I wouldn’t be surprised to see a return to some sort of deficiency payments on a whole raft of primary commodities to allow food to remain relatively cheap at the shops

If they don’t, then I expect the NGO environmental bodies to be setting the rural agenda

Gimme your thoughts

There would need to be change at WTO level to have any return to subsidised production and I can’t see that happening.

in any case current ag funding in the uk is only guaranteed for this parliament. SFI will disappear next parliament with the only sub being for large landowners and charities willing to rewild large swathes of land. Higher commodity prices will make it a difficult sell to put public money into supporting farmers. It will be a case of live of the market, re wild/plant trees or set up a camp site.

The supposed cost of living crisis is a myth, busted wide open by the amount of people travelling on their jollies over Easter. Anyone who thinks government will subsidise farmers to lower the cost of food is deluded.

 

[LandcruiserLad]

There would need to be change at WTO level to have any return to subsidised production and I can’t see that happening.

in any case current ag funding in the uk is only guaranteed for this parliament. SFI will disappear next parliament with the only sub being for large landowners and charities willing to rewild large swathes of land. Higher commodity prices will make it a difficult sell to put public money into supporting farmers. It will be a case of live of the market, re wild/plant trees or set up a camp site.

The supposed cost of living crisis is a myth, busted wide open by the amount of people travelling on their jollies over Easter. Anyone who thinks government will subsidise farmers to lower the cost of food is deluded.

I think they will do this in Scotland (subsidise farmers)
They aren’t that daft.
Putin is about to hold the western world to ransom. Without Oil & fertiliser we are looking at a bleeding decade. Screwed.

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