Stock from TB Free (4 Year test) area?

[JP1]

Oh..... within what timescale?

As the OP, this might be an issue for my SiL. I believe the whole herd is not before Winter. Or have I misunderstood the post?

It's very simple

You report a movement through CTS. If you take in cattle from a higher risk area you get a letter from AVHA or whatever acronym they are this week to require you to do a Post Movement test. Pretty sure it's 60 days from movement on and within 60 days of that activation date

You only have to test the cattle moved on not the herd







Unless you get an inconclusive or positive result

 

[ImLost]

It's very simple

You report a movement through CTS. If you take in cattle from a higher risk area you get a letter from AVHA or whatever acronym they are this week to require you to do a Post Movement test. Pretty sure it's 60 days from movement on and within 60 days of that activation date

You only have to test the cattle moved on not the herd







Unless you get an inconclusive or positive result

Thanks @JP1, you've answered a few of my questions now! Why does it have to be so confusing ?

 

[JP1]

Thanks @JP1, you've answered a few of my questions now! Why does it have to be so confusing ?

Because they got rid of all the regional Gov vet offices, didn't deal with the wildlife vector and want to blame it all on risky cattle trading (yeah right) and they let the statutory TB testing out to a "competitive tender", now it's in the hands of a monopoly. Basically the TB4 area constantly shrinks and a bull from a deemed higher risk area gets taxed another £150 for post movement test plus catching the thing etc etc

 

[som farmer]

around us, TB pre-movement test, before organising a sale, of any cattle, except under 42 days. Just not worth the hassle, of setting up a deal etc, then fail the test !

 

[Raider112]

It's very simple

You report a movement through CTS. If you take in cattle from a higher risk area you get a letter from AVHA or whatever acronym they are this week to require you to do a Post Movement test. Pretty sure it's 60 days from movement on and within 60 days of that activation date

You only have to test the cattle moved on not the herd







Unless you get an inconclusive or positive result

That doesn't seem right to me, I'm buying some cattle from a TB1 this week, they've been pre movement tested but I don't have to test them. They have been caught up in a 3km zone rather than having a herd failure themselves, does that make a difference?

 

[steveR]

Sorry wrong way round, TB1 to TB4 = post movement test. (despite being pre movement tested )
Was chatting CHECS schemes with our vet last week and he recommended us to post movement test anything from a TB4, hence my brain fart, sorry!

Phew!!! Hope that this was indeed the case....

 

[JP1]

That doesn't seem right to me, I'm buying some cattle from a TB1 this week, they've been pre movement tested but I don't have to test them. They have been caught up in a 3km zone rather than having a herd failure themselves, does that make a difference?

What TB area are you?

 

[Tim G]

View attachment AG-TBYHGB-04.pdfThe official guidance.

 

[Raider112]

What TB area are you?

Right now to be fair I am in a 1, caught up in the same incident which I wasn't allowing for but have bought plenty at auction from a TB1 in the past that didn't need tested. In Cumbria it tends to be isolated incidents that drag a lot in due to the 3km.

 

[JP1]

Right now to be fair I am in a 1, caught up in the same incident which I wasn't allowing for but have bought plenty at auction from a TB1 in the past that didn't need tested. In Cumbria it tends to be isolated incidents that drag a lot in due to the 3km.

My point was if you are in TB4 and you buy in "from a higher risk area" you will get an AHVLA letter compelling you to post movement test. It's that simple

 

[Raider112]

It looks as if higher risk area may be the relevant point, going by the official guidance above they talk about an exemption for TB4 areas that find themselves on a higher testing regime due to animal health concerns, probably the case in Cumbria. I was confused by your point in post 18 about who pays for post movement testing.

 

[JP1]

It looks as if higher risk area may be the relevant point, going by the official guidance above they talk about an exemption for TB4 areas that find themselves on a higher testing regime due to animal health concerns, probably the case in Cumbria. I was confused by your point in post 18 about who pays for post movement testing.

I've never ever known APHA paying for a post movement test if that's what you're saying. If the vendor in the higher roisk area doesn't offer to pay, the cost of the post movement test will be by payable by the buyer to a private contractor?

 

[Raider112]

I've never ever known APHA paying for a post movement test if that's what you're saying. If the vendor in the higher roisk area doesn't offer to pay, the cost of the post movement test will be by payable by the buyer to a private contractor?

I'm not saying who pays for anything, as I said, I was confused by post 18 as I don't have to post movement test when I go back to a TB4, hopefully later this year if I buy from a TB1, because of the exemption I mentioned from the official guidance. In this case nobody has to pay for the post movement test.

 

[Tim G]

Tb4 to tb4 = no pre or post test.
Tb1 to Tb1 = pre and post test.
Tb1 to tb4 = pre and post test.
Tb4 to Tb1 = no pre test, just post test.

 

[JP1]

Tb4 to tb4 = no pre or post test.
Tb1 to Tb1 = pre and post test.
Tb1 to tb4 = pre and post test.
Tb4 to Tb1 = no pre test, just post

I’m in TB4 and wasn’t aware of the last one

I did have a brief look at that PDF under England keepers and couldn’t find that reference

 

[Tim G]

I’m in TB4 and wasn’t aware of the last one

I did have a brief look at that PDF under England keepers and couldn’t find that reference

Maybe I've understood that wrongly then!
Just going on us selling our bull to a tb1/2 area, buyer wanted (and paid for) a pre movement test, despite us having a clear whole herd test six months ago. Vet said he'd have to test again at his end.
Mind you, the vet also started off by saying we'd have to pre test anyway as we are on annual testing, even though tb4 area, which is why I cheaked in that document.

 

[matthew]

Tb4 to tb4 = no pre or post test.
Tb1 to Tb1 = pre and post test.
Tb1 to tb4 = pre and post test.
Tb4 to Tb1 = no pre test, just post test.

No post MT when anything moves into a TB 1 area. Just pre MT when moving out to any other area, including TB1.

Agree re rip off private testing fees. My opinion? The English tender was too low for APHA work, and the group are recouping some £££s. A lot of £££s.