Store lamb calculation help

[Frodo]

On topic, what are others charging? We get 35p a week plus 25% of the agreed uplift in value while they are here. This usually works out at around £7 to £12 per head obviously depending on the year.

I do nearly all the fencing for that and daily lookering, plus moves.

How does that sound to you proper shepherds?

What happens if they go down in value?

sounds like you are trying to give someone a go, so good stuff.

 

[livestock 1]

80p per head per week. Dunno as I don’t have a weigh scale. But I’m turning away potential customers so
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80p per head per week. Dunno as I don’t have a weigh scale. But I’m turning away potential customers so

Do you think you might be trying to justify your 80p per week high cost with the 1 kilo av per week per sheep?
It’s some going to try to achieve 1 kilo per week as an average. It’s worth remembering that smaller or hill lambs won’t stand the foot full on the throttle from the outset so this would pull the average. Plus dlwg isn’t even it doesn’t work quite like that. Lambs put higher dlwg when when are nearer the knife and less at the beginning. It takes time to get them onto feed or to feed off a crop.
This then leads us to another question which is what is the optimum economical weight to kill them at? Lighter weights at high ppk values can pay better than keeping lambs to put more weight on. If store lambs are available and are at a buyable price compared to killing values it can be better to kill the first lot at lighter weights and replace them with another batch.
Killing them at lighter weights will show a lower dlwg

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

What happens if they go down in value?

sounds like you are trying to give someone a go, so good stuff.

I still get the keep in that case but they usually do ok on here as it's clean ground

 

[Sid]

The value of any investment may rise or fall....die or get lame

 

[cattleman123]

The value of any investment may rise or fall....die or get lame

Love it...and its so dammed True

 

[CopperBeech]

Do you think you might be trying to justify your 80p per week high cost with the 1 kilo av per week per sheep?
It’s some going to try to achieve 1 kilo per week as an average. It’s worth remembering that smaller or hill lambs won’t stand the foot full on the throttle from the outset so this would pull the average. Plus dlwg isn’t even it doesn’t work quite like that. Lambs put higher dlwg when when are nearer the knife and less at the beginning. It takes time to get them onto feed or to feed off a crop.
This then leads us to another question which is what is the optimum economical weight to kill them at? Lighter weights at high ppk values can pay better than keeping lambs to put more weight on. If store lambs are available and are at a buyable price compared to killing values it can be better to kill the first lot at lighter weights and replace them with another batch.
Killing them at lighter weights will show a lower dlwg

Also.... sometimes in winter it rains all week or snows .....

 

[livestock 1]

Also.... sometimes in winter it rains all week or snows .....

Mine have seen more snow than no snow days

 

[unlacedgecko]

Do you think you might be trying to justify your 80p per week high cost with the 1 kilo av per week per sheep?
It’s some going to try to achieve 1 kilo per week as an average. It’s worth remembering that smaller or hill lambs won’t stand the foot full on the throttle from the outset so this would pull the average. Plus dlwg isn’t even it doesn’t work quite like that. Lambs put higher dlwg when when are nearer the knife and less at the beginning. It takes time to get them onto feed or to feed off a crop.
This then leads us to another question which is what is the optimum economical weight to kill them at? Lighter weights at high ppk values can pay better than keeping lambs to put more weight on. If store lambs are available and are at a buyable price compared to killing values it can be better to kill the first lot at lighter weights and replace them with another batch.
Killing them at lighter weights will show a lower dlwg

The cost isn't high. If someone doesn't want to pay it then I don't take stock from them. That's all the justification I need

 

[Estate fencing.]

AND does your sheep man pay on time and in full??? There’s lots of wide boys out there bidding lots more than me. But they never go too the same farm twice... that’s speaks volumes as far as I’m concerned

When I started we had 2 big sheep men around here, one did the sheep on keep well but never pays until the summer and the other did the sheep bad, they where always out and then left in the night without paying.
So I thought to myself what can be my usp to get a lot of keep, so invested in big fencers and good well maintained electric fences, other thing was to pay for keep on the first of every month and not a week headage but daily (so 5p per head per day).

 

[livestock 1]

When I started we had 2 big sheep men around here, one did the sheep on keep well but never pays until the summer and the other did the sheep bad, they where always out and then left in the night without paying.
So I thought to myself what can be my usp to get a lot of keep, so invested in big fencers and good well maintained electric fences, other thing was to pay for keep on the first of every month and not a week headage but daily (so 5p per head per day).

The big ones I know of only pay once a year June/July

 

[Fat Lamb]

The big ones I know of only pay once a year June/July

Would that be because some of "big ones" are buying store lambs on "tick" and they pay after they've cashed in when they have the money available to clear their debts or doesn't that happen anymore? If they are doing it that way I presume they will have a credit charge for the priveledge.

 

[Estate fencing.]

The big ones I know of only pay once a year June/July

I suppose if you have 40,000 lambs/hoggs out on keep all over the country it would be a hell of a monthly bill. Better to sell all the hoggs then get everything paid off before going at it again in August.

 

[livestock 1]

Would that be because some of "big ones" are buying store lambs on "tick" and they pay after they've cashed in when they have the money available to clear their debts or doesn't that happen anymore? If they are doing it that way I presume they will have a credit charge for the priveledge.

I couldn’t possibly comment.
I once was asked by a fella at the mart ‘ if they had all that money would they buy sheep’ maybe not maybe they would some I know would some maybe not. At least they are there buying when most others are not.

 

[livestock 1]

I suppose if you have 40,000 lambs/hoggs out on keep all over the country it would be a hell of a monthly bill. Better to sell all the hoggs then get everything paid off before going at it again in August.

That’s the trouble the numbers add up big bills.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

That’s the trouble the numbers add up big bills.

It makes me cough enough paying the keep on our biggest winter man, 350 on grass Oct-Dec then 1000 on turnips Dec-Apr. Soon as I’ve sold a ruck I pay him a lump. It softens the blow in the spring!

 

[livestock 1]

It makes me cough enough paying the keep on our biggest winter man, 350 on grass Oct-Dec then 1000 on turnips Dec-Apr. Soon as I’ve sold a ruck I pay him a lump. It softens the blow in the spring!

Yes it’s a lot of money how it all mounts up and it doesn’t grow on trees as they say

 

[Purli R]

It makes me cough enough paying the keep on our biggest winter man, 350 on grass Oct-Dec then 1000 on turnips Dec-Apr. Soon as I’ve sold a ruck I pay him a lump. It softens the blow in the spring!

Paying for it is easier than finding it (decent keep) IME.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Paying for it is easier than finding it (decent keep) IME.

Once you’ve found it FGS don’t let it go!!! nearly all my wintering places get a 1/2 lamb Christmas present!

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Once you’ve found it FGS don’t let it go!!! nearly all my wintering places get a 1/2 lamb Christmas present!

Fellas happy to put 20 acre of this in for you are like gold dust

 

[2wheels]

Yes the herbal lay will have spring to grow, i thought i might be able to get some weaned lambs at 12 weeks in may from a Feb lambing? Some good growers might be going in september and bulk go in october? will have arable cover crops and OSR to put the stragglers on into autumn

12 weeks old from feb lambing should be on the hook.