Stupid inventions...

[Bury the Trash]

Never off my head.



Once found it is written down. Is it the same dilution rate across all brands ? Probably not, so every season it's a stupid, pointless exercise having to do a new instruction sheet. Same with colostrum powder. Just print it in big clear words ffs.

why bother with exspensive colostrum powder? if there now real mc coy available just mix a bit of ordinary powdered lambs milk , a dash of electrolyte solution (which is usually kept in stock in the cupboard anyway, ) and a sprinkle of glucose will do just as well. be easier to mix and cheaper in volume.

 

[steveR]

And they dont include a scoop in the bag or tell how big it should be. Got to get the scales out and weigh EXACTLY it says.

The thing that bugs me was the instructions were so bloody vague and imprecise, but have improved on Lamlac this time I see.

All I needed to know was when I have got the required amount of powder, say 200g, do I add that to 1l of water or make up to 1l of mixed milk. the latter in teh case of Lamlac, but one brand (name forgotten) was the former!

 

[yoki]

Just found this thread.

Lambing Snare

@Benn if you don't already have one get one of these. You can get them from farmacy.co.uk or make it yourself. Great bit of kit and so simple but just works. I had to sort out a ewe today that presented 2 heads and 3 feet at the same time the snare helped hold the head I wanted to stay up...

thefarmingforum.co.uk

First post and photo is exactly the article I'm referring to.

 

[Bury the Trash]

The thing that bugs me was the instructions were so bloody vague and imprecise, but have improved on Lamlac this time I see.

All I needed to know was when I have got the required amount of powder, say 200g, do I add that to 1l of water or make up to 1l of mixed milk. the latter in teh case of Lamlac, but one brand (name forgotten) was the former!

doesnt have tobe exact, we just put 200g / litre or 400g in a big jug and then fill it up with water to the 2 l mark. mix all in one go with a long spoon , it mixes easy these days any way. could mix more than that in one go, doesnt need the faff bit with mixing bits to start with.
main thing is too not use too hot a water.

 

[primmiemoo]

Never off my head.



Once found it is written down. Is it the same dilution rate across all brands ? Probably not, so every season it's a stupid, pointless exercise having to do a new instruction sheet. Same with colostrum powder. Just print it in big clear words ffs.

Once upon a time, you'd be presented with a scoop clearly marked with weight of power by volume, and the dilution rate to use for that specific brand with the first bag of powder. If nothing else, it saved having to retrieve the kitchen scales from the scullery every baking day.

 

[BrianV]

Usually end up weighing enough powder for 2 litres then get a plastic bottle cut the top off pour in the right amount of powder into it then recut the bottle at the right height at he top of the powder

 

[yoki]

The thing that bugs me was the instructions were so bloody vague and imprecise, but have improved on Lamlac this time I see.

All I needed to know was when I have got the required amount of powder, say 200g, do I add that to 1l of water or make up to 1l of mixed milk. the latter in teh case of Lamlac, but one brand (name forgotten) was the former!

With Shine you add to one litre, with Lamlac you have to take some water, mix the powder, then make up to a litre.

I guess doing it twice a day you'd soon get in to the routine with Lamlac but it is a bit more of a faff.

 

[Bury the Trash]

With Shine you add to one litre, with Lamlac you have to take some water, mix the powder, then make up to a litre.

I guess doing it twice a day you'd soon get in to the routine with Lamlac but it is a bit more of a faff.

its not a faff at all.
as ive written above, it mixes very very easily with out the need to part mix.
how much easier need to be

 

[Sharpy]

And another thing, wormers, why the fudge do they give a dose rate down to 10kg but stop at 70kg ? Anyone less familiar with their sheep may understandably assume from the label that none of their ewes are going to be heavier than 70kg. Are these drug firms actively trying to promote underdosing and hence resistance ? Or are the labels again designed by idiots who have never wormed a sheep ? Why not print the dose rate up to 90kg to ensure it encompasses most breeds ?

Perhaps you don't need more than the 70kg rate, perhaps linked to gut capacity rather than liveweight ?

 

[yoki]

its not a faff at all.
as ive written above, it mixes very very easily with out the need to part mix.
how much easier need to be

So it's not a faff if you don't follow the instructions properly.

Fair enough.

Guess that would work for lots of things!

 

[primmiemoo]

Perhaps you don't need more than the 70kg rate, perhaps linked to gut capacity rather than liveweight ?

I think it's xml/nkg dose rate after the topmost weight on the pack, but that's often hard to find smallprint amongst the already small print

 

[Bury the Trash]

So it's not a faff if you don't follow the instructions properly.

Fair enough!

in our current experience of volac / lamlac its mixes very easily not at all the glue glop that used to be.
part mixing is not necessary in my experience a good whip up with the spoon in one go or if you so wish and it bit by bit.
any powdery small lumps that might be gradually dissolve and we use self feeders which , never have a problem with nowadays.


Faff seems to be a bit of a thing for some people ,like sheep that cant give birth them selves / survive in the real World with constant intervention and Faff.

Seems theres a fair bit to learn around about breeding and good genetics verses not so good, that is unless we are talking about hobbyists , funny thing is they could learn the same useful things as well.

 

[Paddington]

Tiny print on a small label on a bottle which could have a label three times the size on it. You pick the bottle up with dirty fingers probably at night, is that 1ml per kg or 0.1ml ?
When I'm organised I write on all new medications the dose, use by date and withdrawal date in marker pen.

 

[Hill Ground]

I wouldn't rule out using one because my hands are a bit mangled now, but would need assistant to hold the ewe. It's not going to be the same as positioning a cow with a calving hurdle. That can be precarious enough!

Need a gambel ewe restrainer for holding the ewe, look like a small holder gimic, but actually very useful.

Can do wet fosters alone no worries, or catch a ewe in the field then leave her to fetch the bike, not drag her back to it!!

 

[primmiemoo]

Need a gambel ewe restrainer for holding the ewe, look like a small holder gimic, but actually very useful.

Can do wet fosters alone no worries, or catch a ewe in the field then leave her to fetch the bike, not drag her back to it!!

Ah, I see what you mean ~ I'd forgotten about them. The supercrook was useful for restraining for assistance and adoption in the field, but would be dangerous to use it in a pen.

 

[yoki]

Faff seems to be a bit of a thing for some people ,like sheep that cant give birth them selves / survive in the real World with constant intervention and Faff.

Seems theres a fair bit to learn around about breeding and good genetics verses not so good, that is unless we are talking about hobbyists , funny thing is they could learn the same useful things as well.

Well, that's a bit of a tangent from "lamb milk with simplest feeding instructions", but saying as we're there now anyway, I don't think it's wise to stereotype.

Plenty of big-time farmers nowadays who only are where they are because they were born in to it and haven't even earned much of what's about them anyway.

By contrast plenty of "hobbyists" who have worked much harder for what they have, are more appreciative of what they have, do more good with what they have, and would probably be much better farmers given a fraction of the opportunity of some who don't even appreciate it.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Well, that's a bit of a tangent from "lamb milk with simplest feeding instructions", but saying as we're there now anyway, I don't think it's wise to stereotype.

Plenty of big-time farmers nowadays who only are where they are because they were born in to it and haven't even earned much of what's about them anyway.

By contrast plenty of "hobbyists" who have worked much harder for what they have, are more appreciative of what they have, do more good with what they have, and would probably be much better farmers given a fraction of the opportunity of some who don't even appreciate it.

you have missed my point .

and its a bigger *one than that particular stupid tool mentioned in the op verses a piece of baler cord (or 3 pieces i use if required in one over the ears to hook it behind the head to pull aligned with jaw and one on each leg as they are brought forward in the natural 'walking' action plus a shepherds skill.

* Invariably quite a lot of humans 'inventions ' are invented to treat the symptoms not the cause.

 

[Gulli]

Never off my head.

Thats your problem then, they are meant to go over your eyes not sit on your head

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I had one of those and couldn't get on with it.
I now pull the legs, with or without a rope, and push the head into the pelvis from outside. Much quicker than trying to get something around the head and less intrusion has to be better at avoiding infections.

I'd also love to see how you do that.
And surely that only helps 'engage' the head?
More often than not, when a head needs 'wiring', it is too help pull it through a tight channel when simply pulling doesn't help.
I can't see how you can do that from 'outside'.

 

[collie]

I always carry a small plastic shoe horn it’s a great help easing the head through especially in the hogs saves a lot of pulling and damage.