T1

[Feldspar]

Flag leaves fully out on Extase locally. I walked some October sown Graham this evening and the flag is 1/4 out.

Cripes!

 

[T Hectares]

I think he means the septoria ?
a wet few days wont make a septoria epidemic, especially on gleam
but be prepared for the headlines in the fw

I have a simple cure for this, I haven't read the FW in 5 years...

Saves me from all sorts of stuff!!

 

[Rainmaker]

Wheats have had 230kg applied, another 40 for milling due in a couple of weeks. About 270 is normal dose for group 1 and usually get protein.

Are you deep N testing in the spring?

 

[Gong Farmer]

Cripes!

There's a lot of that about.

I'm switching my phone off.??

 

[Beefsmith]

Unless I've missed it, surprised this discussion hasn't started. Just about to start our earliest wheat. Have mid October Extase and Zyatt to do. Was planning CTL + epoxi, but now next week is looking wetter, do I drop some Imtrex in to make it up to equivalent of 0.8l/ha of Adexar?

Used Adexar and Chlorothalonil here. I think we will now just sit back and wait as the yield potential isn’t anymore than 3t/acre so I suspect it’ll get another fungicide in about 6 weeks time and that’ll be it.
Nitrogen wise 160kg/ha so far and again I see no point going further at this stage.

 

[snarling bee]

Are you deep N testing in the spring?

Apart from the extremes, it has been proven to be a waste of time for calculating economic optimum N application.
Sampling and testing is so random.
ie. same sample to different labs - get different result.
sample same field numerous times and send to same lab - different results.
Do N rate trials on different sites, in different years, with different soil N, get same result - 200-220 for WW.
Farming is not an exact science.

 

[Brisel]

When was that drilled (Extase)

Late September

 

[principal skinner]

Apart from the extremes, it has been proven to be a waste of time for calculating economic optimum N application.
Sampling and testing is so random.
ie. same sample to different labs - get different result.
sample same field numerous times and send to same lab - different results.
Do N rate trials on different sites, in different years, with different soil N, get same result - 200-220 for WW.
Farming is not an exact science.

Started using an N tester this year, all it has done is confirm what I have applied each time.

 

[ollie989898]

I love these sorts of threads: 'it's a low pressure year.... just CTL... close the gate...'.

It's rained for at least 3-4 good days here, good steady even heavy rains at times, now you have the sun out and I can imagine it is getting pretty tasty under a crop that has any thickness to the canopy. You would be mad to rely on just a bit of epoxi now here in my book and I've haven't set foot in a wheat crop since the autumn. Would I be putting CCC on, hell yes I would.

 

[Beefsmith]

I love these sorts of threads: 'it's a low pressure year.... just CTL... close the gate...'.

It's rained for at least 3-4 good days here, good steady even heavy rains at times, now you have the sun out and I can imagine it is getting pretty tasty under a crop that has any thickness to the canopy. You would be mad to rely on just a bit of epoxi now here in my book and I've haven't set foot in a wheat crop since the autumn. Would I be putting CCC on, hell yes I would.

Establishment has been horrendous across the country. The crops are all average looking and it’s now May. Harvest is in 14 weeks ish and they aren’t going to fill in the bare areas with crop all of a sudden. The Russians are sitting on big stocks. The UK/USA trade deal is imminent. Corona Virus is ruining the 1st world economy so market prices could be anywhere but I suspect down because food use is down.
And you want to start throwing the kitchen sink around on poor to average crops? Maybe you should get into some crops because having not set foot into anything since September shows with your comments. We’ll all do well to average 3t/ac this year in winter wheat and if that’s only going to be worth £300/ac income then the people writing the cheques will be keeping them shut.

 

[ollie989898]

Establishment has been horrendous across the country. The crops are all average looking and it’s now May. Harvest is in 14 weeks ish and they aren’t going to fill in the bare areas with crop all of a sudden. The Russians are sitting on big stocks. The UK/USA trade deal is imminent. Corona Virus is ruining the 1st world economy so market prices could be anywhere but I suspect down because food use is down.
And you want to start throwing the kitchen sink around on poor to average crops? Maybe you should get into some crops because having not set foot into anything since September shows with your comments. We’ll all do well to average 3t/ac this year in winter wheat and if that’s only going to be worth £300/ac income then the people writing the cheques will be keeping them shut.

Where have I said spend money on agchem out of all proportion toward crop potential like its Vegas? If the crop is fudged or otherwise indifferent then you have to reduce your spend. But there are crops about which look very reasonable considering the circumstances and in this region the disease pressure is not something you should dismiss based on a few dry weeks.

 

[Brisel]

Establishment has been horrendous across the country. The crops are all average looking and it’s now May. Harvest is in 14 weeks ish and they aren’t going to fill in the bare areas with crop all of a sudden. The Russians are sitting on big stocks. The UK/USA trade deal is imminent. Corona Virus is ruining the 1st world economy so market prices could be anywhere but I suspect down because food use is down.
And you want to start throwing the kitchen sink around on poor to average crops? Maybe you should get into some crops because having not set foot into anything since September shows with your comments. We’ll all do well to average 3t/ac this year in winter wheat and if that’s only going to be worth £300/ac income then the people writing the cheques will be keeping them shut.

A chain is as strong as its weakest link. Ollie lives in Somerset where if you don't use a decently fungicide programme, half your wheat yield goes. It has also rained recently. A lot. Where are you? You haven't put that on your profile so there's no calibration for area. He wasn't advocating chucking the kitchen sink at a thin backward crop, you just took his comments that way.

I don't regret not using a SDHI at T1 but am glad I got it applied before last week's 5 days of rainsplash events for septoria. Those of you who haven't spent much on yours will find out in 3 weeks whether you were right or not.

 

[John Slejpner]

Establishment has been horrendous across the country. The crops are all average looking and it’s now May. Harvest is in 14 weeks ish and they aren’t going to fill in the bare areas with crop all of a sudden. The Russians are sitting on big stocks. The UK/USA trade deal is imminent. Corona Virus is ruining the 1st world economy so market prices could be anywhere but I suspect down because food use is down.
And you want to start throwing the kitchen sink around on poor to average crops? Maybe you should get into some crops because having not set foot into anything since September shows with your comments. We’ll all do well to average 3t/ac this year in winter wheat and if that’s only going to be worth £300/ac income then the people writing the cheques will be keeping them shut.

I hear you Beefsmith, but its not going to be worth £100 a tonne this year...you could sell forward today for £160 odd december ( guessing, and your price likely different to mine)...Ollie has a point.
My 3t estimate average includes everything from 2t/ac bits to 4t/ac bits....they are not all being managed the same.
In fact some bits of 2t/ac wheat might find they are barley by the end on the week ! (because of blackgrass)....if it happens that barley WILL be grown very cheaply.

 

[ollie989898]

3 tonnes at £160/t has always been handier than 4 tonnes at £100/t.

 

[Rainmaker]

Apart from the extremes, it has been proven to be a waste of time for calculating economic optimum N application.
Sampling and testing is so random.
ie. same sample to different labs - get different result.
sample same field numerous times and send to same lab - different results.
Do N rate trials on different sites, in different years, with different soil N, get same result - 200-220 for WW.
Farming is not an exact science.

Thanks for your reply. I don't know what to make of them, much like EM maps before or after rain.
Like you say it's so subjective.

 

[B'o'B]

I love these sorts of threads: 'it's a low pressure year.... just CTL... close the gate...'.

It's rained for at least 3-4 good days here, good steady even heavy rains at times, now you have the sun out and I can imagine it is getting pretty tasty under a crop that has any thickness to the canopy. You would be mad to rely on just a bit of epoxi now here in my book and I've haven't set foot in a wheat crop since the autumn. Would I be putting CCC on, hell yes I would.

Even I have splashed some CCC around at T0 on most of my mid October drilled wheat. First time I’ve done a significant area of wheat with PGR since 2014. (Partly because this time nothing got rolled after the drill and there are some big stones around!)
I’ve also spent pretty much between 50%-100% extra over my usual (extremely cheap) T1 spend by using Revystar, which has ended up going on late because of the weather and a massive growth spurt since we got some decent rain (it’ll give Revystar a good test with leaf 2 poking out in most places, but flag leaf showing in the odd sheltered spots in Skyfall! Whoops.)

 

[Gong Farmer]

The only factor making this a low disease year is the late sowing. All other factors favour disease development. With every rain event septoria climbs a ladder. Prolonged cold weather over winter sends it down a long snake but we haven't had that this season.
Yellow rust isn't rampant but is ignoring variety ratings and catching some growers out.

Not trying to push fungicide use, just saying don't get too complacent.

 

[Gong Farmer]

Hold up. Anyone else getting that forecast for frosts next weekend? Based on past experience that could stop septoria altogether for this season (as well as slow down rusts and wipe out spring rape crops).

 

[Steevo]

Hold up. Anyone else getting that forecast for frosts next weekend? Based on past experience that could stop septoria altogether for this season (as well as slow down rusts and wipe out spring rape crops).

Yes, I've been seeing that on the forecasts - turning cold towards the end of the week.

Could significantly reduce disease pressure.


My follow-up teb/moddus (only went with CTL/Mn last week as it was all I had on the place) went on today plus I added some CCC that we decided against when making the rec 10 days ago as no significant rain looked due at the time.

Making for a relatively cheap season so far- helps that some chem was already in stock too.

 

[Brisel]

Hold up. Anyone else getting that forecast for frosts next weekend? Based on past experience that could stop septoria altogether for this season (as well as slow down rusts and wipe out spring rape crops).

Frosts don't stop winter and early spring septoria. How would it stop it now?

Only an ground frost 1 oC predicted on Sunday night here, but I am 20 miles inland from the south coast.