The Dublin Declaration

[Macsky]

Anyone heard of it?

The Dublin Declaration

The Dublin Declaration of Scientists on the Societal Role of Livestock.

www.dublin-declaration.org

 

[Top Tip.]

Anyone heard of it?

The Dublin Declaration

The Dublin Declaration of Scientists on the Societal Role of Livestock.

www.dublin-declaration.org

Interesting

 

[Nithsdale]

Never heard of it

I'm half asleep but from scan reading it, it sounds promising?
Will try and have more of a look tomorrow

 

[topground]

It makes perfect sense so don’t expect to see it featured on the BBC

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

What a well balanced piece. It is a pity that as farmers we cannot sign it as we don't have a Scientific ID.
I will pass it on to some that can.

 

[ringi]

I saw this on twitter some of the lowcarb doctors are promoting it.

What a well balanced piece. It is a pity that as farmers we cannot sign it as we don't have a Scientific ID.
I will pass it on to some that can.

You can setup a LinkedIn profile saying you are a farmer, then I expect they will be happy for you using your LinkedIn profile as your ScientificID.

 

[Woolless]

At last some sense from somewhere! Livestock can be part of the solution for more than one problem.

 

[onesiedale]

Anyone heard of it?

The Dublin Declaration

The Dublin Declaration of Scientists on the Societal Role of Livestock.

www.dublin-declaration.org

it was discussed on the PFLA group chat a few days ago;

The Societal Role of Meat: What the Science Says - Sustainable Dish

I’m just back from Dublin where I attended the first International Meat Conference, which took place at Teagasc – The Agriculture and Food Development Authority of the Republic of Ireland. My role was to moderate and summarize the nutrition session of the conference, which was the first half of...

sustainabledish.com

 

[delilah]

Two questions:

1) Why has it got such a stupid name ? I only clicked on the thread to see what Paddy was up to.

2) What does it say ? Does it say eat less meat ? Or eat more meat ? Because that is all that matters. I recently went to a 'better meat' conference in London. Which was basically a 'less meat' conference. Is this declaration the same ? A better meat declaration ? Because if it is then i'm not interested, because all the public, and the media, and the politicians, will hear, is the 'eat less meat' bit.

 

[Muddyroads]

Two questions:

1) Why has it got such a stupid name ? I only clicked on the thread to see what Paddy was up to.

2) What does it say ? Does it say eat less meat ? Or eat more meat ? Because that is all that matters. I recently went to a 'better meat' conference in London. Which was basically a 'less meat' conference. Is this declaration the same ? A better meat declaration ? Because if it is then i'm not interested, because all the public, and the media, and the politicians, will hear, is the 'eat less meat' bit.

Have you not read it?

 

[Muddyroads]

What a good article. It would be nice to think that the NFU might pick up on it but in the meantime I’ve forwarded it onto my MP.

 

[onesiedale]

@delilah tbh, I thought you had written a large part of the blog! Some of your classic quotes in there!
"Infighting about whose beef is better is only going to allow more global anti-meat policies."

"Nutritionists, animal scientists, food systems experts, ethicists, and others involved in the debate of the future of food need to better understand the complexity and totality of the impact livestock and animal sourced foods have" on our society."

"why we must end the “carbon tunnel vision” that so many livestock organizations and policymakers have. Livestock is much greater than simply reducing cattle to “emissions generators”

 

[yellowbelly]

Have you not read it?

Seemed to make sense to me

Why has it got such a stupid name ?

Does it matter what it's called?
I'd happily sign up to it even if it was called The Delilah Declaration if that would make you feel any better.

 

[marco]

Two questions:

1) Why has it got such a stupid name ? I only clicked on the thread to see what Paddy was up to.

2) What does it say ? Does it say eat less meat ? Or eat more meat ? Because that is all that matters. I recently went to a 'better meat' conference in London. Which was basically a 'less meat' conference. Is this declaration the same ? A better meat declaration ? Because if it is then i'm not interested, because all the public, and the media, and the politicians, will hear, is the 'eat less meat' bit.

For someone who regularly takes offence to so called name calling I'd expect better from you.

 

[yellowbelly]

It looks like a well thought out statement devoid of the usual polar opposite approach from the two sides of the debate.

It's what you'd expect from proper level headed scientific reasoning.

It's deserving of a wider audience - I see from the link in @onesiedale 's post, one of the instigators is off to the COP conference.
I wonder if anybody there will take any notice of him

 

[ringi]

The name is a good name as when it is posted on twitter or LinkedIn that a person has signed it more people are likely to read it to see what it is.

 

[Macsky]

Two questions:

1) Why has it got such a stupid name ? I only clicked on the thread to see what Paddy was up to.

2) What does it say ? Does it say eat less meat ? Or eat more meat ? Because that is all that matters. I recently went to a 'better meat' conference in London. Which was basically a 'less meat' conference. Is this declaration the same ? A better meat declaration ? Because if it is then i'm not interested, because all the public, and the media, and the politicians, will hear, is the 'eat less meat' bit.

It’s not a bad name, sticks in your head, I like a little bit of alliteration.

 

[Nithsdale]

A little more about it

State-backed summit of global health experts warns against ‘zealotry’ demonising meat industry

Teagasc is hosting a meeting this week of global scientists who are being asked to sign the "Dublin Declaration" calling for a more "balanced view" on meat

www.irishtimes.com

"The Dublin Declaration, as it is being styled, warns against making the meat production industry the “victim of simplification, reduction or zealotry”, a pointed reference to those activists and politicians who want large-scale culling of the national herd to meet climate targets."

 

[delilah]

My point about the name, was that I only stumbled on it by chance. There will be loads of folks interested in this issue who wont open the thread. I stand by my assessment that it's a stupid name. At least give it a subtitle. The Dublin Declaration: Why livestock matters. Or something, whatever.

Have you not read it?

Clearly not. If, as @onesiedale says, it warns against 'my beef is better than your beef' then that's something. However, I remain wary. Diana Rogers is brilliant. But she can't help herself. There is always, somewhere, a pop at 'intensive' systems. As @Bald Rick has said before, "everyone has an agenda".

 

[delilah]

For someone who regularly takes offence to so called name calling I'd expect better from you.

Apologies for the 'Paddy'. Sorry.
Not aware that I have ever taken offence at name calling though ? Water off a ducks back.