The NI/ROI Protocol

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer
No Daniel O’Donnell bounce apparent.

Nothing like a scare tactic to rev up some engines and get peoples support in a tactical vote, but I'd say they've played this card too early, it would have been best saved until closer to the spring.

The idea of a taig being being first minister will get people voting for the DUP even if they think they are a total disaster.

It's not about who you want in, it's more about who you want to keep out.
 

JimAndy

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portadown
i wonder once SF is first minister, how long it be before we see a change from SF from "deputy FM and FM are join at the hip and the FM can't do anything without the DFM approval" to "Were FM now and we do as we like and if if DFM doesn't like it, they can bugger off"
 

The Agrarian

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Co Antrim
Nothing like a scare tactic to rev up some engines and get peoples support in a tactical vote, but I'd say they've played this card too early, it would have been best saved until closer to the spring.

The idea of a taig being being first minister will get people voting for the DUP even if they think they are a total disaster.

It's not about who you want in, it's more about who you want to keep out.

I think as usual you are seeking to paint everything as being about religion. Everyone knew Tony Blair was Roman Catholic leaning before he officially converted, and we have a RC baptised PM at the moment etc. No one says much if anything about it. There are much bigger problems with them than their religion.

Same with Sinn Fein. Being a 'Roman Catholic', if only in name, is the very least of unionist complaints against Michelle O'Neill. In reality, only a very very tiny number of people think about that. Much more worrying is that she leads the direct political front for a large sectarian murder organisation. If only we could bring back Hume and Mallon, we'd be content for them to have their shot at the FM post any time, as per normal politics.

But I'd tend to agree that it's unlikely the DUP has contracted so much in such a short time. Not impossible though.

The positive contender of the three is Beattie. He has come forward with a strong, positive, liberal message, which I think has not surprisingly struck a chord with some temporary movers to alliance. The softening of the party colours to quite classy shades of blue (rather than red, white and blue) is a wise move to broaden appeal to those unionists who don't care much for constant flag waving (see their FB page). Jim Alister is a passive beneficiary of the DUP fallout, but nothing at all has changed with him.
 
I think as usual you are seeking to paint everything as being about religion. Everyone knew Tony Blair was Roman Catholic leaning before he officially converted, and we have a RC baptised PM at the moment etc. No one says much if anything about it. There are much bigger problems with them than their religion.

Same with Sinn Fein. Being a 'Roman Catholic', if only in name, is the very least of unionist complaints against Michelle O'Neill. In reality, only a very very tiny number of people think about that. Much more worrying is that she leads the direct political front for a large sectarian murder organisation. If only we could bring back Hume and Mallon, we'd be content for them to have their shot at the FM post any time, as per normal politics.

But I'd tend to agree that it's unlikely the DUP has contracted so much in such a short time. Not impossible though.

The positive contender of the three is Beattie. He has come forward with a strong, positive, liberal message, which I think has not surprisingly struck a chord with some temporary movers to alliance. The softening of the party colours to quite classy shades of blue (rather than red, white and blue) is a wise move to broaden appeal to those unionists who don't care much for constant flag waving (see their FB page). Jim Alister is a passive beneficiary of the DUP fallout, but nothing at all has changed with him.
I didn't mention religion, but it says a lot that your mind springs to that first! 😲
Why would you bring religion up?
 

The Agrarian

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Location
Co Antrim
You said taig.

Don't take my word for it though...
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The Agrarian

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Location
Co Antrim
Bla bla bla. Just try to be pleased that a unionist is calling for religion to be unimportant in these matters, instead of trying to save face. You are allowed to be wrong you know. It's not a crime. Or are you just like the fundamentalists, always needing to be 'right'... 🥱🥱🥱
 
Bla bla bla. Just try to be pleased that a unionist is calling for religion to be unimportant in these matters, instead of trying to save face. You are allowed to be wrong you know. It's not a crime. Or are you just like the fundamentalists, always needing to be 'right'... 🥱🥱🥱
I don't recognise religion as being important in any matter.
Again, funny how you've made this about religion though, I thought you were above the likes.
 
I didn't. You used a description which is interchangeable/synonymous with Catholic in an Irish context. I seriously doubt you are too dim to recognise that. More likely just argumentative for the sake of it.
So I post on a thread, you of your own free will wrongly accuse me of bringing religion into the situation, which is something you suggest that I usually do, yet it's me who is being argumentative.

A kind of, you were wrong but it's not your fault you got it wrong, it's someone else's fault.
Sinn Fein eat your heart out.

I still find it interesting that of the two choices you had, it suited you best to choose the religious slur.
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
Same story from the perspective of the Telegraph
Lord Frost warns UK cannot be subordinate to EU after Brexit
Brexit minister says that tensions over Northern Ireland Protocol could destroy UK-EU relationship
By James Crisp, Europe Editor4 September 2021 • 3:08pm
Lord Frost called for an overhaul of the Northern Ireland Protocol in July. Discussions with Brussels are expected to resume next week.
Lord Frost said the relationship with the EU cannot be one of 'subordination' as he warned conflict over the Northern Ireland Protocol risked creating 'cold mistrust' between Britain and Brussels.
He demanded that Brussels renegotiate the Protocol and agree to “significant and substantial” changes to the treaty, which created a customs border between Britain and Northern Ireland.
Lord Frost insisted Britain did not plan to “sweep away” the whole agreement at the British-Irish Association conference in Oxford.
He warned that any solutions could not involve EU law holding sway on British territory.
The Brexit Minister denied the government’s criticism of the treaty was “EU-bashing” designed to rally domestic support on Saturday.
He blamed the incorrect “balance” in the protocol for the poor and tense relations between the UK and EU since Brexit took legal effect on January 1.
Lord Frost said, “The current tension in the relationship with the EU ultimately in my view has its fons et origo in the disagreements around the Protocol. Those are genuine substantive disagreements based on real things, and reflecting genuine concerns in Northern Ireland.”
"I worry this process is capable of generating a sort of cold mistrust between us and the EU which could spread across the relationship. It’s holding back the potential for a new era of cooperation between like-minded states in a world which needs us to work together effectively," he said.
The protocol prevents a hard Irish border by keeping Northern Ireland part of the EU’s single market. The UK argues that checks on British goods going to Northern Ireland to ensure they meet EU rules are too cumbersome and are having a chilling effect on trade.
Lord Frost accused the EU of putting the integrity of the Single Market ahead of the protocol’s other goals, such as the peace process.
He said it was unacceptable for the UK to simply copy the EU’s rules to avoid the need for as many customs checks.
He said, "The current governance arrangements have to evolve to reflect the reality that this is an agreement between two sovereign and autonomous entities, not a relationship of subordination or one where one party’s rules have to be applied mechanically by the other.”
“You should be in no doubt about the centrality of this problem to our politics and to this Government. The issue needs to be fixed and we are determined to fix it,” he said.
Resolving the problems with the protocol would improve relations between Brussels, London and Dublin, he said.
He said, “Brexit is not a thing in itself. It is not a choice to live in permanent confrontation with our friends and neighbours.”
He said, “Rather it is a first stage, a necessary gateway through which this country had to pass in order to give us freedom [...] and to rebuild the country from some of the distortions created by EU membership."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/.../lord-frost-warns-uk.../
 

Speculative coverage on the gene editing consultation response

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Speculative coverage on the gene editing consultation response

Written by Defra Press Office

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There has been coverage today in the I and the Guardian, reporting on speculation around the upcoming government response to the recent Gene Editing consultation, which closed on 17th March.

A full government response, which will include a thorough analysis and summary of the responses to the consultation and which will set out our next steps, will be published in due course.

Gene editing has the ability to harness the genetic resources that mother nature has provided, such as breeding...
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