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Not sfi pilotI understand that you can have CSS and SFI together, as long as the options are delivering different things.
I don't know anything about CSS at all though.
Not sfi pilotI understand that you can have CSS and SFI together, as long as the options are delivering different things.
I don't know anything about CSS at all though.
Just cap BPS @ £25k and forget about the other sh_tNothing wrong with the present scheme , give us some cash and we'll make it look pretty
Ah, right.Not sfi pilot
I think there probably is a plan
This is scary.CSS easy to get into....not so easy to get out!
10 years since my agreement finished and all payments ceased and they “Natural England” still think they can control my farmland.
Why anyone would choose to drink from the same tainted cup with these people is folly indeed. Steer well clear of drinking with the devil.imo.
Grow food, feed people is what farmings about.
This is scary.
It is , to be replaced by a pile of poop , we shouldn't need to be subbed to make a living
To a point, yes.SFI is not a BPS replacement - its never been claimed to be, I've Sid for a few years anyone thinging that would be VERY disapointed
SFI is a payment for doing stuff unlike BPS which is a payment for being a rich landowner dude !
SFI was always going too be significantly less
As it stands at the moment, there is an awful lot wrong with ELMs. However, thanks to your wonderful invention @Clive , TFF has enabled @Janet Hughes Defra to explain the situation, answer our question and see our concerns, which hopefully will end up with a workable, viable scheme. I commend you both for this.
The other issue is rates for size, if we take just the rates published today we are in for an 80% cut from bps. Therefore for our small acreage the amount involved means I won’t even bother. Selling my corn for a bit more and keeping a few more cows will make more money than applying and dealing with Defra and the rpa (speaking as someone who only got their bps for the first time ever on the 1st dec 2021 for reasons no one can explain) just isn’t worth the hassle for a couple of £kTo a point, yes.
We are lead to believe that the total amount spent on BPS and CSS is ‘ring-fenced’ to be redistributed in a different way.
SFI is only a third of ELMS. If you could take advantage of all three parts of ELMs, it may be possible to end up with a similar annual amount. But at the moment, the hectarage limits on LNR/LR are far too restrictive for most of us to be able to be a part of.
As it stands at the moment, there is an awful lot wrong with ELMs. However, thanks to your wonderful invention @Clive , TFF has enabled @Janet Hughes Defra to explain the situation, answer our question and see our concerns, which hopefully will end up with a workable, viable scheme. I commend you both for this.
As with CSS, there are many ELM’s options which complicate and put off far too many of us.
The only way I can see this working is for DEFRA to come up with a spreadsheet type system that identifies exactly what options are available for each individual business and suggests which ones are best to take maximum advantage of.
Otherwise IMO it will all fail, much of that ‘ring-fenced’ money will be unused and reabsorbed into the Treasury.
Which will be not good for us and especially not good for the Government or the public.
The primary reasoning behind ELMs are the Governments goals to do with the Environment, CO2 and Climate Change.
Unless DEFRA can come up with a workable system that farmers (not landowners, as it is the farmers that can do most and are the only ones that can put the scheme ideas into practice) can use, the system will fail and DEFRA/Government will have lost a golden opportunity to achieve its aims.
You'll find out how popular these projects are soon enough , don't kmow anyone remotely interested , ,SFI is not a BPS replacement - its never been claimed to be, I've Sid for a few years anyone thinging that would be VERY disapointed
SFI is a payment for doing stuff unlike BPS which is a payment for being a rich landowner dude !
SFI was always going too be significantly less
You'll find out how popular these projects are soon enough , don't kmow anyone remotely interested , ,
The schemes are too compliacted and too fiddly with little or no reward
We're losing 000's of acres to development every year , this is going to show up in food production quite soon .
OK, I will bite.
Why is ELMS the mess that it is ?
ELMS is the mess that it is, because Defra had it put into their heads that there are 'good' ways of farming, and there are 'bad' ways of farming.
They never should have swallowed this, but they did, and I guess fair play to those who sold them the story. They thus attempted to design ELMS - specifically the SFI standards - such that it would encourage the 'good' ways, and discourage the 'bad' ways.
Any farmer who has expressed the view - in private conversations with Defra, in talks they have given, on farm walks, whatever - that there are 'good' ways and 'bad' ways is directly responsible - yes, directly responsible - for where we are at.
Slowly, belatedly, but just in time, @Janet Hughes Defra and her team are coming to understand that there are not, in fact, 'good' ways and 'bad' ways, but rather there are different ways. Thus they are redesigning ELMS. We should never have had to go through the tortuous process that has been ELMS to date, but no matter, the long lead time is saving the day. They will get there.
Ha ha, no need to bite!
OK, I will bite.
Why is ELMS the mess that it is ?
ELMS is the mess that it is, because Defra had it put into their heads that there are 'good' ways of farming, and there are 'bad' ways of farming.
They never should have swallowed this, but they did, and I guess fair play to those who sold them the story. They thus attempted to design ELMS - specifically the SFI standards - such that it would encourage the 'good' ways, and discourage the 'bad' ways.
Any farmer who has expressed the view - in private conversations with Defra, in talks they have given, on farm walks, whatever - that there are 'good' ways and 'bad' ways is directly responsible - yes, directly responsible - for where we are at.
Slowly, belatedly, but just in time, @Janet Hughes Defra and her team are coming to understand that there are not, in fact, 'good' ways and 'bad' ways, but rather there are different ways. Thus they are redesigning ELMS. We should never have had to go through the tortuous process that has been ELMS to date, but no matter, the long lead time is saving the day. They will get there.
10 years since my agreement finished and all payments ceased and they “Natural England” still think they can control my farmland.
without doubt there are good and bad ways of farming - i think all farmers can agree on that (usa feedlot vs pasture, free range vs intensive indoor, mixed vs arable, regen vs tillage, organic vs conventional etc etc .....)
the only conjecture is which is good and which is bad. !