The transition from BPS to ELMS

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Imagine you were offered the job of your dreams.
The only downside was a long commute requiring the use of a car.
You have to take it up and give it a go and you love it although the expenses mean it doesn't pay well.
This means you are considering a move to be closer to the job when a neighbour starts the same commute and offers to contribute to your travel expenses if they can have a lift.
The contribution isn't huge but is a game changer in allowing you to continue life as you love it.

As things currently stand, expecting farmers to carry on farming as they do now with ELMS after removing BPS would be like the neighbour still expecting to get a lift to work for the same contribution after you had lost your job.


Discuss.
 

delilah

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expecting farmers to carry on farming

Sorry, to be more constructive.
They don't expect farmers to carry on farming. Not many of them, anyway. Just enough to be vertically integrated serfs for the cartel. To see the future for beef, milk and arable, go have a look at veg, pigs and poultry. That is what ELMS is about. Clear out the awkward squad. As requested of Govt by the cartel. And endorsed by their lackeys the NFU.
 
I don't know what you are all moaning about.

ELMS has the "Environmental" word in it ... still I've always thought any organisation claiming to be "Environmental" was a Scam and short form for untrustworthy.

Agriculture is being milked on the behalf of the upper classes to divert money into their pockets for doing as little as possible - Green Taxes, Carbon Trading - it's all moving money from you to them.
 

Tamar

Member
By the time ELMS is up and running, the Country will be so short of food that it will be replaced by headage payments !!

At least headage payments benefit the farmers that actually do the work and produce something to eat. BPS and ELMS only benefit the landlords.



.....and for the record, I actually hope headage payments don't come back.
 

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Either the income will have to rise, or would need to get a different job which pays a reasonable amount.

Can't see global commodities prices rising just because little England has stopped BPS and replaced it with ELMS, so subsidy payments after costs will effectively reduct to say 20% (guess) of what it was.

Processors will want our beef for same price, but a massive chunk of BPS income will evaporate. If production profitability doesn't increase, there will be an exodus from the industry and land left bare.

Many farms would go from having enough cash to make a living, to not having a living wage.
 
My agent told me years ago that I would likely get a third of the money through elms that bps has paid
I was told last week that the agricultural pot of money is the same but it’s to be distributed differently
That doesn’t really add up considering we have a cut in bps money already
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
By the time ELMS is up and running, the Country will be so short of food that it will be replaced by headage payments !!

At least headage payments benefit the farmers that actually do the work and produce something to eat. BPS and ELMS only benefit the landlords.



.....and for the record, I actually hope headage payments don't come back.

Will the headage payment not be reflected in rentals eventually. Just less transparent - which gives a warmer feeling to the farmer? That was the reason for delinking payments from production?
 
If there’s an incentive to keep stock it would likely not be a headage payment as such possibly anything else up to a production payment
Headage payments weren’t popular and still aren’t to many
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
They want you to walk.

The analogy was just meant to highlight the absurdity of George Eustace's assertion that money from ELMS will enable farmers to continue in a similar fashion as they did with BPS.
I guess it could be extended to say that the productivity grants are like offering you 50% off the cost of some walking boots and waterproofs so you can indeed walk. This ignores the fact that if you spend your time walking, there will be little time for working and then you see that the grant is only available on North Face clothing which costs 3 times the amount as everything else in the first place.
 
Seems crazy that we were assisted to produce up until 2001 then we were constrained by environmental stuff then now we are encouraged to be more economically productive when the last 20 years of schemes (some of them compulsory) were the cause of uneconomic production by the deterioration of land
Now we are all assuming that the world will go hungry in six months
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
If there’s an incentive to keep stock it would likely not be a headage payment as such possibly anything else up to a production payment
Headage payments weren’t popular and still aren’t to many

They won't do it because it would involve having to choose either to pay for low stocking rates for environmental benefits or headage payments which would increase production and keep food cheap.
They want both but will not pay for either.
 
They won't do it because it would involve having to choose either to pay for low stocking rates for environmental benefits or headage payments which would increase production and keep food cheap.
They want both but will not pay for either.
They could offer a top up on prime stock which should help right back down the line
Pretty simple to set up and run too plus it helps the ‘active’ farmer?
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Sorry, to be more constructive.
They don't expect farmers to carry on farming. Not many of them, anyway. Just enough to be vertically integrated serfs for the cartel. To see the future for beef, milk and arable, go have a look at veg, pigs and poultry. That is what ELMS is about. Clear out the awkward squad. As requested of Govt by the cartel. And endorsed by their lackeys the NFU.

What do you think they think will happen to the farms of those that don't carry on?
And what do you think will happen?
 
Then keep the stocking rate and environmental schemes for hill places along side it
This means that they get the environmental benefits but only really pay the farmers that work for a living and it keeps production ie stock on the hills
 

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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The Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland (HSENI) alongside the Farm Safety Partnership (FSP), has named new farm safety champions and commended the outstanding work on farm safety that has been carried out in the farming community in the last 20 years.

Two of these champions are Malcom Downey, retired principal inspector for the Agri/Food team in HSENI and Harry Sinclair, current chair of the Farm Safety Partnership and former president of the Ulster Farmers’ Union (UFU).

Improving farm safety is the key aim of HSENI’s and the FSP’s work and...
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