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[melted welly]

Care to provide a source for that?

I found a few.

Full list of teacher strike dates, if schools could close and why they are happening

Hundreds of thousands of teachers across England and Wales will walk out throughout February and March, unless the National Education Union (NEU) and the Government are able to come to a last-minute deal on pay

inews.co.uk

Junior doctors in England launch fifth round of industrial action

Strike could push number of appointments cancelled due to industrial action over million mark

www.theguardian.com

Consultants in England to strike in September if government refuses talks

BMA highlights government’s ‘disregard … for the very future of the health service and its patients’

www.theguardian.com

When are the next strikes? All the UK dates confirmed for August 2023

Latest walkout by junior doctors set to bring fresh upheaval to NHS as RMT and Aslef action again disrupts rail services with pay talks languishing in deadlock

www.independent.co.uk

Strike action to affect travellers and goods entering the UK on 28 April 2023 – Home Office in the media

News and updates from Home Office Media

homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk

Thousands of council workers in England, Wales to strike

Nearly 3,000 workers at 16 councils across England and Wales have voted to strike over pay, UK's Unite union said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Turnip]

I found a few.

Full list of teacher strike dates, if schools could close and why they are happening

Hundreds of thousands of teachers across England and Wales will walk out throughout February and March, unless the National Education Union (NEU) and the Government are able to come to a last-minute deal on pay

inews.co.uk

Junior doctors in England launch fifth round of industrial action

Strike could push number of appointments cancelled due to industrial action over million mark

www.theguardian.com

Consultants in England to strike in September if government refuses talks

BMA highlights government’s ‘disregard … for the very future of the health service and its patients’

www.theguardian.com

When are the next strikes? All the UK dates confirmed for August 2023

Latest walkout by junior doctors set to bring fresh upheaval to NHS as RMT and Aslef action again disrupts rail services with pay talks languishing in deadlock

www.independent.co.uk

Strike action to affect travellers and goods entering the UK on 28 April 2023 – Home Office in the media

News and updates from Home Office Media

homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk

Thousands of council workers in England, Wales to strike

Nearly 3,000 workers at 16 councils across England and Wales have voted to strike over pay, UK's Unite union said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Thanks, so we are talking about all public sector workers not just the civil service who are the only ones directly employed by the government.

 

[Turnip]

Just watch the news.

So no then. Good thing @melted welly did your homework for you.

 

[Red Fred]

This came up on our town Facebook page this morning. Two young ladies have rented 4 acres from the big estate to start a veg farm without using animal products, except horse manure which is OK as it doesn't involve animal abuse. While I wish them luck, the subliminal message behind the post really winds me up.

"Ringwood. Adjacent fields. This shows 2 extremes of “food from the land”. On the right is monoculture with sole aim of maximising yield and on the left, separated by a new hedge, is 4 acres of integrated biodiversity and an extraordinary range of vegetables surrounded by the buzz and flutter of countless birds, butterflies and bees."

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Take a hard look at carbon/methane. And ask themselves, honestly, how much of it do they really believe and how much are they obliged to believe less their careers post parliament be harmed.

Crap like biodiversity net gain should be investigated/seen for the crock of shite it is too. Taking land 10 mile away out of food production to create a habitat so that tescoburys can tarmac over another 40ac of green belt. It’s like offsetting the fires on Rhodes by pissing in the garden and claiming an offset coz your garden isn’t on fire.

Introduce a supplier led (all producers/suppliers, not just ag) Red Trolley audit, to give consumers confidence that their chosen grocer adheres to a strict code of conduct around fair pricing, reasonable demands placed upon suppliers etc with some curve balls thrown in like mass balance to show that the same number of consumers are leaving their premises as are entering.

Red trolley, "you know we treat our producers fairly".

Could catch on. After all they do it for coffee and cocoa.

 

[kiwi pom]

This came up on our town Facebook page this morning. Two young ladies have rented 4 acres from the big estate to start a veg farm without using animal products, except horse manure which is OK as it doesn't involve animal abuse. While I wish them luck, the subliminal message behind the post really winds me up.
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"Ringwood. Adjacent fields. This shows 2 extremes of “food from the land”. On the right is monoculture with sole aim of maximising yield and on the left, separated by a new hedge, is 4 acres of integrated biodiversity and an extraordinary range of vegetables surrounded by the buzz and flutter of countless birds, butterflies and bees."

I wonder which 4 acres provides the most food?
Not an easy thing to work out perhaps

 

[Turnip]

I wonder which 4 acres provides the most food?
Not an easy thing to work out perhaps

Depends on your definition of food. Which one can provide a meal is most likely not the mono culture, but kg or calories per acre I would bet on the mono culture. As far as birds, butterflies, etc go we need to integrate the verges and probably the hedge into the mono culture.

 

[borderterribles]

This came up on our town Facebook page this morning. Two young ladies have rented 4 acres from the big estate to start a veg farm without using animal products, except horse manure which is OK as it doesn't involve animal abuse. While I wish them luck, the subliminal message behind the post really winds me up.
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"Ringwood. Adjacent fields. This shows 2 extremes of “food from the land”. On the right is monoculture with sole aim of maximising yield and on the left, separated by a new hedge, is 4 acres of integrated biodiversity and an extraordinary range of vegetables surrounded by the buzz and flutter of countless birds, butterflies and bees."

Not confident that horse manure comes from animals that aren't abused. I have been involved with them all my life and I have never known one ask to be ridden yet!

 

[kiwi pom]

Depends on your definition of food. Which one can provide a meal is most likely not the mono culture, but kg or calories per acre I would bet on the mono culture. As far as birds, butterflies, etc go we need to integrate the verges and probably the hedge into the mono culture.

The "monoculture" could have a nice sustainable rotation too, grain, grass for grazing, roots, Maize, veg, then back around again.

 

[Case290]

obviously the small organic, veggie patch is the better option. Try doing that on a plot bigger than a postage stamp with todays wages and labour shortages would be impossible. + if staff were actually found nobody would buy ,, as it would be fudging expensive.

 

[Red Fred]

I should add that the estate run a very large herd of dairy cows with all the manure that goes with them and use an arable/grass/maize rotation which included the vegans' veggie patch before they rented it off to them. The owner is a passionate wildlife enthusiast and chairman of the local farmer conservation cluster in the valley .

 

[melted welly]

This came up on our town Facebook page this morning. Two young ladies have rented 4 acres from the big estate to start a veg farm without using animal products, except horse manure which is OK as it doesn't involve animal abuse. While I wish them luck, the subliminal message behind the post really winds me up.
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"Ringwood. Adjacent fields. This shows 2 extremes of “food from the land”. On the right is monoculture with sole aim of maximising yield and on the left, separated by a new hedge, is 4 acres of integrated biodiversity and an extraordinary range of vegetables surrounded by the buzz and flutter of countless birds, butterflies and bees."

Was at a talk where the speaker advised strongly against using horse manure due to the effect of wormers on soil biology.

 

[Raider112]

So no then. Good thing @melted welly did your homework for you.

So if they aren't employed by the government why does Sunak make such a big thing about where the money will come from to pay them?
Surely whoever pays them employs them?

 

[Raider112]

So if they aren't employed by the government why does Sunak make such a big thing about where the money will come from to pay them?
Surely whoever pays them employs them?

 

[Turnip]

So if they aren't employed by the government why does Sunak make such a big thing about where the money will come from to pay them?
Surely whoever pays them employs them?

So there are farmers who are employed by the government because they accept subsidies and other benefits?

If you want to know why Sunak is making big things about something ask him

 

[spin cycle]

I'm confused....why do we want to produce more food given they don't want to pay for the stuff were already producing

 

[Exfarmer]

This came up on our town Facebook page this morning. Two young ladies have rented 4 acres from the big estate to start a veg farm without using animal products, except horse manure which is OK as it doesn't involve animal abuse. While I wish them luck, the subliminal message behind the post really winds me up.
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"Ringwood. Adjacent fields. This shows 2 extremes of “food from the land”. On the right is monoculture with sole aim of maximising yield and on the left, separated by a new hedge, is 4 acres of integrated biodiversity and an extraordinary range of vegetables surrounded by the buzz and flutter of countless birds, butterflies and bees."

Well according to the British veterinary society they would beg to differ

 

[Raider112]

So there are farmers who are employed by the government because they accept subsidies and other benefits?

If you want to know why Sunak is making big things about something ask him

If you really don't know the difference between a subsidy or grant that is paid periodically to a business, farming or otherwise, and a regular wage paid for doing your job I'd be very surprised, you're surely brighter than that.

 

[Turnip]

If you really don't know the difference between a subsidy or grant that is paid periodically to a business, farming or otherwise, and a regular wage paid for doing your job I'd be very surprised, you're surely brighter than that.

I do and for a lot of people that are mentioned the government doesn't pay their wages but the NHS trust they work for, or the school that employs them, etc. Civil service is paid straight by the government but public sector workers are not. Yes they have a public service but count the people on here that spout that they are feeding the world which is a public service if you ask me. Indirectly the wages might come from the government but that is the point I'm making that this is the case for a lot of farmers as well, without subsidies or grants they would not survive.

 

[Grass And Grain]

I'm confused....why do we want to produce more food given they don't want to pay for the stuff were already producing

Exactly. We want a reasonable price for our produce.

Not our job to provide food security. That's the government's task. Although if they want us to be carbon neutral, environmentally friendly and high production standards, yet open the gates to cheap imports, then we've a case to ask for bridging payments.