Tony Gardiner combine operators day

[phil]

Tony is sadly no longer with us but I did this training day with him about 10 years and found it very interesting and useful
Unfortunately I've mislaid folder he gave out on the day and I wanted to pass on some of this knowledge to others
Does anyone have one they could lend me or photocopy/scan
I will return either

Phil

 

[Feldspar]

Tony is sadly no longer with us but I did this training day with him about 10 years and found it very interesting and useful
Unfortunately I've mislaid folder he gave out on the day and I wanted to pass on some of this knowledge to others
Does anyone have one they could lend me or photocopy/scan
I will return either

Phil

I would be very keen to see a copy of it too! Would be good too to have a thread discussing the sort of things he said to do.

 

[Hampton]

I would be very keen to see a copy of it too! Would be good too to have a thread discussing the sort of things he said to do.

+1

 

[phil]

Load it up and drive it on was main theme
That and whatever you think you should do, do opposite was my memory

 

[Feldspar]

Load it up and drive it on was main theme
That and whatever you think you should do, do opposite was my memory

Did it make you do a much better job of combining after going on it?

 

[Zippy768]

I would be very keen to see a copy of it too! Would be good too to have a thread discussing the sort of things he said to do.

+1

 

[phil]

Did it make you do a much better job of combining after going on it?

Made you rationalise your actions
Be less afraid of fan speed and understand how to counteract issues
Yes it did help, Tony didn't get to visit in the field which I'm sure was a help to those he did

I can imagine @Feldspar doing a lot of deliberating over changes to combine settings [emoji6]

 

[phil]

If someone to get me folder I would scan it and make it available to people

 

[Feldspar]

Made you rationalise your actions
Be less afraid of fan speed and understand how to counteract issues
Yes it did help, Tony didn't get to visit in the field which I'm sure was a help to those he did

I can imagine @Feldspar doing a lot of deliberating over changes to combine settings [emoji6]

You guess correctly.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Id like to read it too

 

[Feldspar]

I think there's a good market for someone who really knows how to set-up a combine to come out and help farmers and operators. It's such an expensive operation and you're putting such a large value through it that any small increase in capacity / reduction in losses really adds up. We rent our combine from APH, but whilst they know how to fix it, no-one really knows how to operate it efficiently. Luckily went on a Does operators' course which did come with a booklet of useful settings, but still not good enough.

When you see what the world record was (at that time) with our combine in a 10 t/ha crop of wheat in Lincs they were getting so much more output than we were managing. Guinness ensure that you don't chuck it all out the back too.

 

[Feldspar]

Here's one example of something I need to clear up. (Maybe @Two Tone might be able to help). I want to know if our loss meters correct for crop throughput or not. As you go faster the losses on the screen go up, but is that losses per hectare or losses per second. As far as I know the loss monitor is just registering the number of grains hitting something and I don't think it corrects for forward speed, but I'm not sure. That makes a big difference.

 

[CrevisbigX]

Tony is sadly no longer with us but I did this training day with him about 10 years and found it very interesting and useful
Unfortunately I've mislaid folder he gave out on the day and I wanted to pass on some of this knowledge to others
Does anyone have one they could lend me or photocopy/scan
I will return either

Phil

Yes I have one

 

[debe]

Here's one example of something I need to clear up. (Maybe @Two Tone might be able to help). I want to know if our loss meters correct for crop throughput or not. As you go faster the losses on the screen go up, but is that losses per hectare or losses per second. As far as I know the loss monitor is just registering the number of grains hitting something and I don't think it corrects for forward speed, but I'm not sure. That makes a big difference.

Per second. Why complicate things?

 

[phil]

Yes I have one

Would you be willing to send it to me to copy/scan and make available
It will be returned

 

[Feldspar]

Per second. Why complicate things?

Because it makes the thing less useful. If it goes up as you speed up (which is one of the big things I think Tony Gardiner advocated), you then need to work up if it's gone up in proportion to the increase in forward speed. If not, then you have either made the losses per hectare better or worse, but you then need to check behind the combine to work out. That then needs to be repeated for all crops (and technically all yields of crops) to know all the constants of proportionality. Would be simple for the software to divide losses by forward speed and display that value on the screen.

 

[robbie]

I would be very keen to see a copy of it too! Would be good too to have a thread discussing the sort of things he said to do.

+1

 

[Robt]

Tony helped me set up an axial flow when I was at velcourt. My word he was good! Had some very strange ( to me) views on the world but he did know his stuff!

 

[debe]

Because it makes the thing less useful. If it goes up as you speed up (which is one of the big things I think Tony Gardiner advocated), you then need to work up if it's gone up in proportion to the increase in forward speed. If not, then you have either made the losses per hectare better or worse, but you then need to check behind the combine to work out. That then needs to be repeated for all crops (and technically all yields of crops) to know all the constants of proportionality. Would be simple for the software to divide losses by forward speed and display that value on the screen.

Sorry, to be clearer why would the manufacturers complicate things?

The concept is that the throughput of the combine is maintained at a constant, not the speed.

Ignore the loss monitors until you have the combine set up at a throughput and ground loss level that you are happy with, and then adjust monitors to suit.

I was very happy when our current combine driver arrived here having never really driven a combine, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks...

 

[Feldspar]

Tony helped me set up an axial flow when I was at velcourt. My word he was good! Had some very strange ( to me) views on the world but he did know his stuff!

So what were you doing incorrectly before he turned up, and how much difference did it make?