Trace element drench

[jemski]

Please don't be put of drenching by this comment the trial work that I referred to earlier showed there was a significant residual effect from drenching although it was not as good as blousing it was a lot better than doing nothing.

Thank you, I won't be [emoji4]It was mainly for the copper which is stored anyway.

It's the mayo 5 in 1 boluses I'm waiting for. We are low in zinc here so really like the addition of that too.

Apparently there's a shortage of animax boluses too.

 

[scholland]

Thank you, I won't be [emoji4]It was mainly for the copper which is stored anyway.

It's the mayo 5 in 1 boluses I'm waiting for. We are low in zinc here so really like the addition of that too.

Apparently there's a shortage of animax boluses too.

Not sure about a shortage, mine came yesterday after ordering on Wednesday.

 

[jemski]

Not sure about a shortage, mine came yesterday after ordering on Wednesday.

Hmmmm my supplier said they were trying to get them.... where did you get yours?

 

[scholland]

Hmmmm my supplier said they were trying to get them.... where did you get yours?

Glens farm supplies in northern Ireland. Might have been earlier than Wednesday but certainly last week. Or email pearce the rep?

 

[GrannyAching]

Hmmmm my supplier said they were trying to get them.... where did you get yours?

@Mayo is a member on here and I can't find his number at the mo but @neilo has it at his fingertips! It might even be in an earlier post. Very quick service.

 

[Downton_shep]

07866 772478 Pearce

 

[GrannyAching]

^^ and @_sheptastic has it committed to memory!

@jemski I hope you are going to put some working farmer pictures in for the calendar comp.

 

[bill.bt]

what price is the mayo 5 in 1 sheep bolus per ewe .per 250 pack.did email them had no reply regarding price.

 

[bovine]

Thank you, I won't be [emoji4]It was mainly for the copper which is stored anyway.

Nope. Got heaps of blood results to prove it too.........

They can't put enough copper in to top up a deficient sheep without making the product too dangerous to those that didn't need extra copper. Very modest levels.

PM me and I'll sell you some magic beans.....

 

[Top Tip.]

Nope. Got heaps of blood results to prove it too.........

They can't put enough copper in to top up a deficient sheep without making the product too dangerous to those that didn't need extra copper. Very modest levels.

PM me and I'll sell you some magic beans.....

These blood tests for mineral status are notoriously unreliable.

 

[jemski]

07866 772478 Pearce

Thank you [emoji16] it's nice when people are helpful and constructive.

 

[jemski]

^^ and @_sheptastic has it committed to memory!

@jemski I hope you are going to put some working farmer pictures in for the calendar comp.

Calendar comp?

 

[bovine]

These blood tests for mineral status are notoriously unreliable.

Depends of what you mean.

If blood levels are normal then for most things the diet is adequate. Copper is perhaps the exception as the liver stores copper and tops up the blood level so blood levels only fall after the liver store is depleted. To get a good handle on copper status then we need liver levels too to give an indication of total liver copper. If the blood level is low then it's a waste of time measuring liver copper as it's always low.

I struggle to think of an example where testing that was corrected has failed to improve the productivity of a flock. Just throwing a bolus at them and never testing again is practically useless - I spend quite a bit of time dealing with badly supplemented sheep. Farmers moan about spending a couple of hundred testing but throw thousands of pounds creating expensive urine by repeatedly drenching sheep.

I've said before - for optimum productivity you need just the right amount of everything every day.

Testing (with follow up testing) is VERY reliable. If you pick your sheep and do enough of it.

 

[Al R]

Thank you, I won't be [emoji4]It was mainly for the copper which is stored anyway.

It's the mayo 5 in 1 boluses I'm waiting for. We are low in zinc here so really like the addition of that too.

Apparently there's a shortage of animax boluses too.

There's a problem with sourcing Zinc as we can't get Zincosel adult anymore and we had to buy pre tupping and pre lambing Zincosel lamb now. The lamb bolus last 6 months in a ewe so we've gone for that but we bought the last 2000 they had I think so some ewes - the Welsh, are having Co-Se-I-Cure?

Bimeda hope that the zinc problem will be rectified by Christmas but we bought Zincosel lamb for the pre lambing incase.
Mayo 4-1 or 5-1 will be our next choice I think?

 

[Top Tip.]

Depends of what you mean.

If blood levels are normal then for most things the diet is adequate. Copper is perhaps the exception as the liver stores copper and tops up the blood level so blood levels only fall after the liver store is depleted. To get a good handle on copper status then we need liver levels too to give an indication of total liver copper. If the blood level is low then it's a waste of time measuring liver copper as it's always low.

I struggle to think of an example where testing that was corrected has failed to improve the productivity of a flock. Just throwing a bolus at them and never testing again is practically useless - I spend quite a bit of time dealing with badly supplemented sheep. Farmers moan about spending a couple of hundred testing but throw thousands of pounds creating expensive urine by repeatedly drenching sheep.

I've said before - for optimum productivity you need just the right amount of everything every day.

Testing (with follow up testing) is VERY reliable. If you pick your sheep and do enough of it.

Personally I have found grass and forage testing to give me a better idea of the deficiencies that I have it certainly highlighted areas that had not been picked up by the bloods .

 

[bovine]

Personally I have found grass and forage testing to give me a better idea of the deficiencies that I have it certainly highlighted areas that had not been picked up by the bloods .

They are all pieces of the jigsaw, but when you look at various interactions you will see that just because there's enough of something in the bit of forrage you sample, it might not be getting into the animals in sufficient levels. The beauty of sampling the sheep is we find the answer to that end question. forrage varies wildly over fields, altitude, soil type, compaction, crop etc that I really think you throw in a lot of variability. That is 'averaged out' to a degree as the sheep has had lots of bites of feed.

 

[exmoor dave]

It's 6 weeks not 6 months for the mayo bolus

Really?

We've just done all our lambs and they've put on condition since then.

Edit: I thought you meant the six month ones only lasted six weeks.

Mayo do both a 6 week and 6 month lamb bolus (well the 6 week is more like a pill) so that's probably the confusion.

The 6mth one is called something like "lamb finisher"

We used the 6 week pill last year & the 6mth bolus this year.

Was going to use smartshot but the bolus seems much better value.

 

[GrannyAching]

Calendar comp?

In the pictures and videos forum - TFF 2018 calendar competition.

 

[Razor8]

Mayo do both a 6 week and 6 month lamb bolus (well the 6 week is more like a pill) so that's probably the confusion.

The 6mth one is called something like "lamb finisher"

We used the 6 week pill last year & the 6mth bolus this year.

Was going to use smartshot but the bolus seems much better value.

the 6 month bolus is alot more than 50p a bolus. with us its €1.40

 

[exmoor dave]

the 6 month bolus is alot more than 50p a bolus. with us its €1.40

Off the top of my head it was about 50/60p

&the 12mth is about £1.10, that's cobalt selenium & zinc
No iodine though which may be a problem