Two positively sinister things, an ocean apart...

[Goweresque]

Do you foresee an end to the covid nonsense/hysteria/reaction?
If so how?
The covidians don't seem to know

The old saying is that men go mad in crowds and come to their senses one by one.

My feeling is that the boosters will be the death of the covid panic, because increasing numbers of people will refuse to take them. Either because they've had covid and they feel they have natural immunity, or because they feel covid isn't as dangerous as was thought initially, or because they had a bad reaction to the initial jabs and don't want to go through it again, or because they feel they've been lied to about how having the initial jabs would solve the problem, and now they face a never ending series of jabs. For loads of reasons increasing numbers of people will refuse to keep going down the never ending vaccination road.

I personally know of 4 people in my immediate family and social circle who all had the 2 initial jabs but have decided not to get a booster, vs one who I know has had a booster. I don't know the reasons, I don't tend to discuss these sort of things with people, I think its their decision to make, just as mine is mine. I was quite surprised to hear the refusal from several because they'd been quite happy to have the first 2 shots.

Thus thats my scenario for how this ends, not with a bang but a whimper, as more and more people refuse to have the boosters and thus a larger and larger proportion of society is not 'fully jabbed'. When the definition of fully jabbed is moved to include boosters (as it will be) the % who fall into the 'unvaccinated' category will grow, and once that proportion reaches 50% then future restrictions on the 'unvaccinated' will be politically unviable.

 

[bobk]

He seems to be suggesting it's the present but who knows, it's a bit like Essex man saying 9 out of 10 deaths are in the vaccinated, we are meant to think he means covid deaths but it's more likely to be all deaths as nobody dies from covid remember!!

@Muck Spreader gave a better representation regarding ICU patients in france , basically 1 vaccinated to 7 non vaxed , says it all

 

[essex man]

The old saying is that men go mad in crowds and come to their senses one by one.

My feeling is that the boosters will be the death of the covid panic, because increasing numbers of people will refuse to take them. Either because they've had covid and they feel they have natural immunity, or because they feel covid isn't as dangerous as was thought initially, or because they had a bad reaction to the initial jabs and don't want to go through it again, or because they feel they've been lied to about how having the initial jabs would solve the problem, and now they face a never ending series of jabs. For loads of reasons increasing numbers of people will refuse to keep going down the never ending vaccination road.

I personally know of 4 people in my immediate family and social circle who all had the 2 initial jabs but have decided not to get a booster, vs one who I know has had a booster. I don't know the reasons, I don't tend to discuss these sort of things with people, I think its their decision to make, just as mine is mine. I was quite surprised to hear the refusal from several because they'd been quite happy to have the first 2 shots.

Thus thats my scenario for how this ends, not with a bang but a whimper, as more and more people refuse to have the boosters and thus a larger and larger proportion of society is not 'fully jabbed'. When the definition of fully jabbed is moved to include boosters (as it will be) the % who fall into the 'unvaccinated' category will grow, and once that proportion reaches 50% then future restrictions on the 'unvaccinated' will be politically unviable.

that's pretty much how I see it.
Will take a bit of time, maybe by jab five there will be enough unjabbed to make a difference.

 

[Mr Mackay]

that's pretty much how I see it.
Will take a bit of time, maybe by jab five there will be enough unjabbed to make a difference.

It will all depend on how serious , or not , the variants are!!

Meanwhile keep the buzz words coming

 

[boumaticboy]

The old saying is that men go mad in crowds and come to their senses one by one.

My feeling is that the boosters will be the death of the covid panic, because increasing numbers of people will refuse to take them. Either because they've had covid and they feel they have natural immunity, or because they feel covid isn't as dangerous as was thought initially, or because they had a bad reaction to the initial jabs and don't want to go through it again, or because they feel they've been lied to about how having the initial jabs would solve the problem, and now they face a never ending series of jabs. For loads of reasons increasing numbers of people will refuse to keep going down the never ending vaccination road.

I personally know of 4 people in my immediate family and social circle who all had the 2 initial jabs but have decided not to get a booster, vs one who I know has had a booster. I don't know the reasons, I don't tend to discuss these sort of things with people, I think its their decision to make, just as mine is mine. I was quite surprised to hear the refusal from several because they'd been quite happy to have the first 2 shots.

Thus thats my scenario for how this ends, not with a bang but a whimper, as more and more people refuse to have the boosters and thus a larger and larger proportion of society is not 'fully jabbed'. When the definition of fully jabbed is moved to include boosters (as it will be) the % who fall into the 'unvaccinated' category will grow, and once that proportion reaches 50% then future restrictions on the 'unvaccinated' will

Speaking to a lot who got two as they didn’t want to kill their granny but are now saying no more no way. The diehards who never got any still won’t and the diehards who are happy to get every three months will continue to do so

 

[bobk]

that's pretty much how I see it.
Will take a bit of time, maybe by jab five there will be enough unjabbed to make a difference.

It's not how you see it at all , you've had verbal diorhe

 

[Raider112]

How will you know if o is not a threat?
Any metrics on that?

Why clutter this thread up with posts like that? how could a farmer on a forum possibly know that before we get the data?
A lot of people have backed off these covid threads because of stuff like that and I'm beginning to think that's your plan, remove anyone that doesn't hold your point of view, you're obviously not looking for respect from them.

 

[bobk]

It's not how you see it at all , you've had verbal diorhe

Sorry couldn't spell it , ha ha ha

 

[Charlie Gill]

I'm not asking when, I am asking how will you know?

Operation rampdown. April?

 

[essex man]

Not taken up the offer of my booster yet ...

You are undecided or not got round to it?

 

[bobk]

You are undecided or not got round to it?

Don't need it yet

 

[stroller]

Already had my letter in the post.

I do not agree with any form of obligation or coercion or compulsion to accept any kind of medical treatment.

I categorically would not force or convince or coerce someone to accept any kind of treatment they didn't want. I don't think you would get anyone with a streak of medical professionalism in them to agree to it either. It's just unethical.

The government won't be able to enforce a mandatory vaccination program and I for one would not take part in the administration of it if I was trained to do so. The state doing that is a one-way deal and can't be undone.

It will happen.

 

[stroller]

If you think drug companies are above lying and fudging data then read this, plenty of other examples:

Drug giant 'ignored Vioxx heart risk' | Health | The Guardian

The multinational drug company Merck knew four years ago that its blockbuster painkiller Vioxx was causing thousands of heart attacks and deaths, but kept it on the market until five weeks ago, scientists said last night.

amp.theguardian.com

 

[MRT]

Might she have contraindications? Or, wild guess, was her advice received some time ago, now?

This is from the beginning of this month ~

[Withdrawn] [Withdrawn] Coronavirus (COVID-19): advice for pregnant employees

www.gov.uk

Not long ago but predates the gov link. No contraindications. Going with the advice of the consultant

 

[primmiemoo]

Not long ago but predates the gov link. No contraindications. Going with the advice of the consultant

The consultant will know what's right for each of her patients.
Best wishes for you, all three.

 

[essex man]

The old saying is that men go mad in crowds and come to their senses one by one.

My feeling is that the boosters will be the death of the covid panic, because increasing numbers of people will refuse to take them. Either because they've had covid and they feel they have natural immunity, or because they feel covid isn't as dangerous as was thought initially, or because they had a bad reaction to the initial jabs and don't want to go through it again, or because they feel they've been lied to about how having the initial jabs would solve the problem, and now they face a never ending series of jabs. For loads of reasons increasing numbers of people will refuse to keep going down the never ending vaccination road.

I personally know of 4 people in my immediate family and social circle who all had the 2 initial jabs but have decided not to get a booster, vs one who I know has had a booster. I don't know the reasons, I don't tend to discuss these sort of things with people, I think its their decision to make, just as mine is mine. I was quite surprised to hear the refusal from several because they'd been quite happy to have the first 2 shots.

Thus thats my scenario for how this ends, not with a bang but a whimper, as more and more people refuse to have the boosters and thus a larger and larger proportion of society is not 'fully jabbed'. When the definition of fully jabbed is moved to include boosters (as it will be) the % who fall into the 'unvaccinated' category will grow, and once that proportion reaches 50% then future restrictions on the 'unvaccinated' will be politically unviable.

 

[Goweresque]

Its interesting that there's quite a lot of people who had one jab but have absolutely refused to have a second, the proportion stuck at one jab has settled down to a pretty consistent %. Its unlikely that you'd change your mind between the jabs unless something happened to make you change your mind, so to me that suggests all those who refused the second one had a nasty reaction to the first one. Thats about 5-6% of the entire adult population having had a sufficiently bad adverse reaction to the vaccines to refuse a second shot, or indeed be medically advised not to take a second one.

 

[caveman]

Its interesting that there's quite a lot of people who had one jab but have absolutely refused to have a second, the proportion stuck at one jab has settled down to a pretty consistent %. Its unlikely that you'd change your mind between the jabs unless something happened to make you change your mind, so to me that suggests all those who refused the second one had a nasty reaction to the first one. Thats about 5-6% of the entire adult population having had a sufficiently bad adverse reaction to the vaccines to refuse a second shot, or indeed be medically advised not to take a second one.

Mrs was pretty crook for a couple of days after her first but has had no problem with second and booster.

 

[Raider112]

Its interesting that there's quite a lot of people who had one jab but have absolutely refused to have a second, the proportion stuck at one jab has settled down to a pretty consistent %. Its unlikely that you'd change your mind between the jabs unless something happened to make you change your mind, so to me that suggests all those who refused the second one had a nasty reaction to the first one. Thats about 5-6% of the entire adult population having had a sufficiently bad adverse reaction to the vaccines to refuse a second shot, or indeed be medically advised not to take a second one.

Or decided that as things were quiet at the time they wouldn't bother, or caught the virus in the meantime so decided they will now have antibodies, or any one of a dozen reasons other than "absolutely refused" You can't possibly suggest that 5 to 6 % of the adult population have had a bad adverse reaction so they have refused or been advised not to have a second shot. There's plenty of that sort of posts on here as it is, your posts are usually more logical than that.

 

[primmiemoo]

Its interesting that there's quite a lot of people who had one jab but have absolutely refused to have a second, the proportion stuck at one jab has settled down to a pretty consistent %. Its unlikely that you'd change your mind between the jabs unless something happened to make you change your mind, so to me that suggests all those who refused the second one had a nasty reaction to the first one. Thats about 5-6% of the entire adult population having had a sufficiently bad adverse reaction to the vaccines to refuse a second shot, or indeed be medically advised not to take a second one.

What to expect after COVID-19 vaccination: easy-read guide

www.gov.uk

The information about short-term effects was made clear right through. The volunteers who took the first vaccines in the trials would have shown them. Yellow Card has monitored right through.
The information leaflet given to everyone on vaccination has told us what to expect, and what to do. Feeling a bit rough for a few days afterwards was never hidden as a possibility.

5-6% of the adult population will most probably have been put off taking their second jab by a combination of factors, such as antivaxxer project fear, and/or general ignorance and superstition spread by their contacts. Some might even be living with a controlling family member. I suspect the latter is true of a colleague.