wanton dwarf
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I understand they are using desert areas, incorporating a dust - something like clay to keep water - then irrigating using ground water.
UK Farm Support......THE POLL!!
- Thread starter Bossfarmer
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I understand they are using desert areas, incorporating a dust - something like clay to keep water - then irrigating using ground water.
FonterraFarmer
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I never said they did. You use debt to your advantage otherwise your just working for the finance company or bank.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
You need to open your eyes.
Danllan
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I haven't trawled all through this thread, so apologies if repeating a point, but... the questions in the survey are boll*cks.
Interesting that the Chinese government has a goal of being self-sufficient in staple foods like rice, corn and wheat.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-feeding-china/
But UK apparently has no policy on self-sufficiency. It's surprising we haven't heard more about this from our unions.
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why to simple ?
a few didn't "get" a simple question a couple years ago, wanted to make it far more complicated than it was or needed to be
"In recent years more money has been spent in Scotland than has been collected, whether or not you count money collected from the North Sea oil and gas industries.
This has also been the case over the last 18 years if you look at the revenue collected and money spent per person in Scotland."
https://fullfact.org/economy/tax-and-spending-scotland/
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Is that result of the Barnett formula?
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- North Somerset.
Government (which means taxpayer) support to the tune of £300 million announced today for the aerospace industry.
How is this any different from support for UK agriculture?
Someone else asked for an explanation of the link between subsidies and food prices. I have yet to read how it will be that when subsidies go prices will magically rise commenurately to the primary producer.
Prices to the primary producer will only rise if sterling falls to a point where the supermarkets can buy cheaper at home or there is a fall in production as farmers revert to minimal input dog and stick farming.
If farming does not pay without subsidies large areas of the country will be ranched as happened in the 30's with the consequent demise of the rural economy and drain on the benefits system by the rural unemployed.
Subsidies pump money into the rural economy and keep people in work.
A question for those who advocate doing away with subsidies. How would you pump money into the rural economy to keep it going? Or should we peasants just shut up shop and migrate to the towns and cities in search of work?
How is this any different from support for UK agriculture?
Someone else asked for an explanation of the link between subsidies and food prices. I have yet to read how it will be that when subsidies go prices will magically rise commenurately to the primary producer.
Prices to the primary producer will only rise if sterling falls to a point where the supermarkets can buy cheaper at home or there is a fall in production as farmers revert to minimal input dog and stick farming.
If farming does not pay without subsidies large areas of the country will be ranched as happened in the 30's with the consequent demise of the rural economy and drain on the benefits system by the rural unemployed.
Subsidies pump money into the rural economy and keep people in work.
A question for those who advocate doing away with subsidies. How would you pump money into the rural economy to keep it going? Or should we peasants just shut up shop and migrate to the towns and cities in search of work?
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- Fife
Subsidies don’t pump money into anything but landowners pockets. There is no requirement to spend sub money on anything. Many could claim subs for grassing down their farms and letting them out on grazing licences. How does this put money into the rural economy?
If/when subs go there market forces will ensure there is a rebalancing between cost of production and commodities prices.
I have no emotional attachment to small family farms.
There will be more opportunities for someone like me if the number of farms contracts and the size of those farms expands.
Eg. 20 farms running 400 sheep. That’s 20 shepherds. But those shepherds have no where to go, there is no career advancement available.
1 farm running 8000 sheep. There will be multiple shepherds (3 or 4), a head shepherd, possibly a unit manager/stock manager and maybe even a general manager. This unit will have a large amount of bargaining power when negotiating with suppliers and customers.
Welcome to the future people. Hold on, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
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lazy farmer
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- som/dor border
haven't read the thread there's nothing to be gained/learned.
the question itself was loaded beyond the ridiculous but hey ho didn't stop me voting no.
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
its a simple yes or no?
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
now that were out of the EU i think self sufficiency should be more important we are a highly populated island afterall and out of the trading block, its our governments duty to prepare for world shortages but because the voters are oblivious to such things and it hasnt happened recently the government doesnt seem to see it as priority, China on the other hand sees the importance and is making the necessary steps!
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
no we see why you want subs to go....its not because you think farmers dont need them its because you stand to gain from the devestation it will cause
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
the question was simple yes or no with the effects of each choice very simple, you might nit like it but thats the reality
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- Fife
I believe in a free market. The current state of UK Ag is not fit for the free market.
You seek to retain them status quo as it has personally enriched you by hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds.
Even when I worked in non agricultural industries I believed that UK Ag should be subsidy free.
You have benefited from farm number contraction. How many family farms have you destroyed in the past 20 years?
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- North Wales
Its not a simple yes or no poll.
A simple poll would have been.
Should the public continue to support UK farmers with sub? Yes or no.
You have loaded the second response with your view on what will happen if sub's are removed.
Don't worry it is a simple mistake to make
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- NSW, Newstralya
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- North Wales
On the flip side of that argument you stand to gain massively if sub's remain as you have in the past.
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
your view is short sighted the subsidy debate is not a black or white issue theres a lot of different factors involved to simply say i believe in the free market this is not enough, its not your religion .....none