UK Farm Support......THE POLL!!

[Henarar]

Not really.

yes really

 

[stewart]

yes really

So tell me what is interesting about a poll with two loaded questions when there are some quite obvious alternatives.

Get more efficient
Lower costs
Understand markets
Do something about marketing.

The options given promote a cost plus model, all that results in is increased costs.

 

[Henarar]

So tell me what is interesting about a poll with two loaded questions when there are some quite obvious alternatives.

Get more efficient
Lower costs
Understand markets
Do something about marketing.

The options given promote a cost plus model, all that results in is increased costs.

well if your not interested why you looking on this thread

 

[stewart]

well if your not interested why you looking on this thread

The thread itself is interesting and gives me an insight into why British agriculture is fckued and not much of a concern as a competitor in the market place. A biased based poll that is meaningless is just that,meaningless.

 

[Henarar]

The thread itself is interesting and gives me an insight into why British agriculture is fckued and not much of a concern as a competitor in the market place. A biased based poll that is meaningless is just that,meaningless.

well go look at something meaningful then if its no concern

 

[FonterraFarmer]

It's not a question of whether we should or should not continue to receieve Subsidies...

The question is if/when subs go, would we expect the govt to continue encouraging us to produce food.

NZ may have gotten rid of farm subs, but the govt still values it's farmers by protecting and backing them to produce food to feed the nation AND export as a tradable commodity. Ours is blinkered to believe no subs means we are left to get on with it, without domestic market/industry protection.

Could you remind our PM , her party, coalition partners and the "other" party of that fact?
And Auntie Helen and friends

 

[FonterraFarmer]

99

99% of pro NZ style farming conveniently forget what happened to the NZ dollar once subs went and the extent to which that helped the farmers

That will not happen here!

Short term went down , long term went up , or do you forget that.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

i

im correct because it wont happen to anywhere near the same extent the UK will always have a strong currency in comparison to NZ

So exchange rate between the GB£ and the NZ$ is better now than 30and 40 years ago?

 

[FonterraFarmer]

don't a lot of kiwi dairy farms have eye watering mortgages they'll effectively never pay back....circa 100 yr jobs?

No.

 

[CornishTone]

Our borders are open. We would welcome a free trade deal with any country particularly the UK you have a large population that wants a source of high quality food and you have fkuc all we want to buy.

Nothing to with ag as such but, British Aerospace are building the new Australian frigates in a deal worth billions. That’s world trade and it works both ways. Boss Farmer needs to wake up to this!

 

[CornishTone]

Our borders are open. We would welcome a free trade deal with any country particularly the UK you have a large population that wants a source of high quality food and you have fkuc all we want to buy.

Nothing to with ag as such but, British Aerospace are building the new Australian frigates in a deal worth billions. That’s world trade and it works both ways. Boss Farmer needs to wake up to this!

 

[stewart]

Nothing to with ag as such but, British Aerospace are building the new Australian frigates in a deal worth billions. That’s world trade and it works both ways. Boss Farmer needs to wake up to this!

Read about that while we were in the UK. The article was along the lines of how great it was that UK manufacturing was building frigates for the Australian Navy, the last sentance casually mentioned they are to be built in Adalaide.

 

[stewart]

99

99% of pro NZ style farming conveniently forget what happened to the NZ dollar once subs went and the extent to which that helped the farmers

That will not happen here!

99% of NZ farmers would not want subsidies back.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

don't a lot of kiwi dairy farms have eye watering mortgages they'll effectively never pay back....circa 100 yr jobs?

Depends on the system a lot.
In general no, but some good payout years encouraged some to veer away from what we do best (grass) and towards the European style concentrate and concrete model.
I can't speak for them but they rely on good payouts to survive, let alone reduce debt.

Much above the current 33ppl or what ever it works out to be, is danger territory as farmers can be frigging slow learners when it comes to moving away from sustainable systems in the name of "progress" - certainly their ability to survive a downturn is diminished

 

[Deerefarmer]

Whys there not a 3rd option to vote for ,,,
Learn how to manage my business and farm without govmnt handouts.
Just curious , I'm looking in from the outside ,so it's an honest question

 

[Farmer Roy]

Whys there not a 3rd option to vote for ,,,
Learn how to manage my business and farm without govmnt handouts.
Just curious , I'm looking in from the outside ,so it's an honest question

because, obviously, that is not even considered as an option

shows you the attitude & mentality of who you are dealing with

 

[Farmer Roy]

 

[Farmer Roy]

 

[CornishTone]

Read about that while we were in the UK. The article was along the lines of how great it was that UK manufacturing was building frigates for the Australian Navy, the last sentance casually mentioned they are to be built in Adalaide.

Built in Adelaide yes, but there will be a lot of money winging its way back to the UK as a result. And much of the corporation tax from it will end up in Boss Famers SFP cheque though by the sounds of it! Nice of Australia to be so obliging!

 

[Deerefarmer]

because, obviously, that is not even considered as an option

shows you the attitude & mentality of who you are dealing with

Must be different over here then, I know many farmers in my area who stubbornly refuse any form of government help, the mentality is once you take govmnt handouts your another step closer to government controlling your job.
Other than that I don't keep up with what all options farmers have here, so I'm a bit ignorant on the matter ...
I'm sure farming here is very different