UK Farm Support......THE POLL!!

[stewart]

You have the right to try.

Yes everyone has the right to try, including those that don't currently farm.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

but your debt has skyrocketed...

And debt in the UK hasn't increased since 1984???

 

[FonterraFarmer]

No, they are like lemmings, one goes over the cliff, they all follow

No lemmings here , as a general rule banks will only lend relative to equity / security ,hence only borrow money as long as they can see that they can get it all back.

 

[Henarar]

Looking at the pictures I see of your beautiful part of the world, I think if I paid UK taxes I would like the next generations to enjoy exactly the same views as today, so I can see where the incentive to maintain that landscape is high on the list.

what do you think made it look like it does ?
if the farming is taken away will it look better ?
at the end of the day we are farmers

 

[Bossfarmer]

And just have a look at the price of wheat now and tell me that you really believe subsidies keep food prices down. Food prices are only very slightly influenced by subsidy here. Mostly they are set by global supply and demand. That's why we have ports.

Global subsidies create oversupply and a lower price FACT im all for removing subs in the UK but ONLY if our competitors do the same

 

[stewart]

Global subsidies create oversupply and a lower price FACT im all for removing subs in the UK but ONLY if our competitors do the same

No it's not a FACT.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Interesting - some of UK sub decreases production? I am not familiar with the west country but here in Lincolnshire field corners and buffer strips not cropped - so less production.

Chinas growing crops on vast areas that were previously unviable for crop production due to an increase in subsidies in a bid to make themselves more self sufficient

 

[spin cycle]

No lemmings here , as a general rule banks will only lend relative to equity / security ,hence only borrow money as long as they can see that they can get it all back.

so why do you need a 'farm debt mediation bill'......you wouldn't have it if it were just a few with problems....kiwi dairy farms alone account for $1 dollar in every $10 lent in nz nationally

 

[Bossfarmer]

Bit if both. Most of the debt is in the dairy sector which has expanded, converting dry stock farms to dairy. an $8.50 payout encoured this expansion, when the payout dropped some farms would have required increased debt levels to see them through.
There is also share milking which encourages the next generation and helps bring fresh blood into the industry, a lot of these new entrants start with very little so to move forward they take on debt.
The level of debt is largly irrelevant,it is the ability to pay it that matters. .

The level of debt does matter, prices and ability to service debts can change but the debt will still be outstanding, could end up a serious mess out there!

 

[Hampton]

no it fuuuuuuuucccckikkkkiiiing isnt

How do you work that out?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

what do you think made it look like it does ?
if the farming is taken away will it look better ?
at the end of the day we are farmers

1. People!
2. No, because even farmers have learnt that "tidy" looks better than "natural"
3. Maybe... at the end of the day we are all people... the 7 cardinal sins, and all that other junk!

 

[stewart]

The level of debt does matter, prices and ability to service debts can change but the debt will still be outstanding, could end up a serious mess out there!

The ability to service the debt is the main concerm. £1m of debt with no ability to pay interest is a worse position to be in than being able to service the interest on £10m of debt.
If you cannot service the debt on either then you are fkuced anyway.

 

[glasshouse]

No lemmings here , as a general rule banks will only lend relative to equity / security ,hence only borrow money as long as they can see that they can get it all back.

And they cant see any further ahead either

 

[Kiwi Pete]

The ability to service the debt is the main concerm. £1m of debt with no ability to pay interest is a worse position to be in than being able to service the interest on £10m of debt.
If you cannot service the debt on either then you are fkuced anyway.

In itself, debt servicing becomes a useful tax mechanism.
It is just a different risk strategy, I would much prefer to be in twice as much debt and free of trade interference/ distortion/
reliance on the status quo.

 

[brigadoon]

That example is flawed because It's paid for, by us who live up here

I don't think so - I rather think it is largely paid by those who live south of the border

 

[brigadoon]

If business can't find staff from within our shores, what other option do they have but to use foreign labour?

advertise?

 

[glasshouse]

advertise?

RAISE the wages

 

[brigadoon]

How do you work that out?

Red diesel is sold at more than it costs to produce - it is also taxed - it is not subsidised

 

[glasshouse]

I don't think so - I rather think it is largely paid by those who live south of the border

bollox

 

[FonterraFarmer]

so why do you need a 'farm debt mediation bill'......you wouldn't have it if it were just a few with problems....kiwi dairy farms alone account for $1 dollar in every $10 lent in nz nationally

And where does the other $9 go , other productive industries?