Using data

[lazy farmer]

Well the all things dairy thread has disappeared for some reason so apologies for starting a thread which should really be within that.

trying to overcome last yrs car crash breeding season my main man encouraged me to pre breeding paint. Well that was 20 days ago and service starts tomorrow. So today we repaint the cows. 85% of the total herd came bulling during this period probably a few more but the paint was inconclusive on a few. The 40 or so who didn’t have been duly recorded.10 of the 40 calved in the last 2 weeks of calving.Everything will have calved at least 28 days by tomorrow. So my question is when should I act on the data?
How long into service should I wait before I get the 30 or less looked at ?
I should say I am falrly anti drug usage unless dirty.
Lazy

 

[jimmer]

I stickered everything yesterday , service starts in 25 days, vet coming to metricheck everything on Friday
Any cow not observed bulling will be seen by vet 4 days before start of service

 

[jimmer]

To your question , I would say tomorrow

 

[frederick]

Well the all things dairy thread has disappeared for some reason so apologies for starting a thread which should really be within that.

trying to overcome last yrs car crash breeding season my main man encouraged me to pre breeding paint. Well that was 20 days ago and service starts tomorrow. So today we repaint the cows. 85% of the total herd came bulling during this period probably a few more but the paint was inconclusive on a few. The 40 or so who didn’t have been duly recorded.10 of the 40 calved in the last 2 weeks of calving.Everything will have calved at least 28 days by tomorrow. So my question is when should I act on the data?
How long into service should I wait before I get the 30 or less looked at ?
I should say I am falrly anti drug usage unless dirty.
Lazy

Wait 21 days.

Time is an amazing healer. With my computer package you can easily monitor submission rates of sep and oct calvers separately. Submission rate in octs is 70% rather than 87 for sept.

You will act and never know wether it was time or intervention.

You can make your pattern to tight. I know you dry off for xmas so if you want to increase days in milk pulling calving 2 days earlier would have the same effect on average days in milk to improving conception rate by 10% and your overall grass demand over the 23 or 21 days would be the same.

 

[frederick]

I stickered everything yesterday , service starts in 25 days, vet coming to metricheck everything on Friday
Any cow not observed bulling will be seen by vet 4 days before start of service

Is your start of calving so late to improve arla seasonality.
Do you house cows for dec and jan milking.

 

[lazy farmer]

Wait 21 days.

Time is an amazing healer. With my computer package you can easily monitor submission rates of sep and oct calvers separately. Submission rate in octs is 70% rather than 87 for sept.

You will act and never know wether it was time or intervention.

You can make your pattern to tight. I know you dry off for xmas so if you want to increase days in milk pulling calving 2 days earlier would have the same effect on average days in milk to improving conception rate by 10% and your overall grass demand over the 23 or 21 days would be the same.

Happy enough with how tight the pattern is. I’m sick of either wasting cows or loosing them to other farmers cos they are empty.

 

[jimmer]

Is your start of calving so late to improve arla seasonality.
Do you house cows for dec and jan milking.

I'm not an early farm on a normal year , I have little grazing infrastructure , and buy tail end cows to slot into the middle of my block
Not arla
Yes cows will most probably be housed in November till March on a normal year

 

[Devon lad]

I would put them on oad, and I normally have vet in PSM-5 days to scan them getting one or 2 to hold 21 days earlier will pay for the vet

 

[lazy farmer]

I would put them on oad, and I normally have vet in PSM-5 days to scan them getting one or 2 to hold 21 days earlier will pay for the vet

There’s 3 or 4 heifers in that group. It’s certainly on option for them.

 

[lazy farmer]

I would put them on oad, and I normally have vet in PSM-5 days to scan them getting one or 2 to hold 21 days earlier will pay for the vet

Has your stone eating stopped ?

 

[Devon lad]

Has your stone eating stopped ?

Yes it has, we run some bloods came back with marginal mag, but haven’t done anything and it’s stopped, the majority of people recommend putting out rock salt.

 

[lazy farmer]

Sorry your previous post may have answered this but did you put any rock salt out prior to blood tests ?

 

[sidjon]

We do nothing for fertility and haven't for nearly 10 years, 4% MT for last two years over 11 weeks (TB may smudge the results a bit as normal have a test during breeding and those cows aren't in a our final data), do find most if not all clean thier selfs, we start on the 23th just got 2 heifers which haven't cycled yet and both have had problems which has put them on the 1 service list which is normally old cows which may have to be kept because of TB losses.

 

[vantage]

I agree with @sidjon . Anything that we had vet intervention on in the Autumn group is empty, better to save your money.

 

[More to life]

I think I’d check everything over 40 days them look at everything that’s not bred on day 23-24. If you totally ignore your data that’s quite demoralizing for your main man. If your focus is to improve your empty rate then 28 day pds would give more cows the opportunity to breed. This would mean a weekly visit after your non breeder check.

 

[buffalo_soldier]

No point in identifying potential problem cows and then doing nothing about it.

I check anything that failed pre service and then anything not served along with weekly PD's till I hit target.
Sounds full on I know but it works out at around 6 or 7 fertility visits annually. So I console myself with the equivalent Ayr type herd would need 52 visits for a similar level of scrutiny.

 

[O'Reilly]

You can check for dirty cows yourself, sometimes just putting a hand in stimulates them somehow, sounds dumb, but I know if I've checked a bunch out, a high proportion of them come billing soon after. Or get a vet in and maybe they can shed some more light on the problem, rather than beating yourself up about it, like you have been for the last year.

 

[Cuthbert]

Like some have already said just by getting a few in calf will easily pay for the vet.
I can never understand why people are so against using the vet, you are still in control you don’t have to let it run away with costs just a little can help profits I look at it as another tool I can use when I want to to improve my business.
Also if you’re are sure they are empty you could just estrumate them and that might get them cycling or clean them up.

 

[Beef farmer]

An hours vet time will see all your non cycling cows in a hb race. Then act on advice from a professional.

 

[som farmer]

done our pre service check, vet talking about non bullers, his comment, if you have served, 90 % of cows, in the first 3 weeks, don't bother with a visit, advice I like !