Veganism - controlled malnutrition?

[czechmate]

Every hen you have had a brother though (statistically). What happened to him? You can see their point.

Let's face it, industrial meat production is utterly disgusting and the less people eating meat the better as far as I can see and I say that as, I suppose, a meat farmer. Farming has segregated meat here and crops there to the point where everyone and everything loses.

I'll find a market for the meat I raise but if not, I'll raise enough for me and grow carrots or something. The whole system is massively fudgeed up and I can totally see why people are going vegan.

As i said, I don't debate it with my daughter. For one thing she is far too clever for me, another I basically agree with her, esp regarding modern pork, chimed and eggs. I like animals so it is difficult. I don't have the same problem with beef and lamb as at least they had a good life. My daughters argument is its a pointless life. I say that I am sure the animal would disagree but would conceed I am sure they would prefers it to be longer.
I wouldn't rule out turning veggie myself.

 

[Pasty]

As i said, I don't debate it with my daughter. For one thing she is far too clever for me, another I basically agree with her, esp regarding modern pork, chimed and eggs. I like animals so it is difficult. I don't have the same problem with beef and lamb as at least they had a good life. My daughters argument is its a pointless life. I say that I am sure the animal would disagree but would conceed I am sure they would prefers it to be longer.
I wouldn't rule out turning veggie myself.

I did once. It was OK but that was when you couldn't easily get local meat etc. I'm certainly not today but I am very careful about where the meat I eat comes from. There is no point arguing. It's a free world. At the end of the day, eating meat means putting a bullet or similar in an animal's head. I can cope with that and do it. I have an opinion that anyone who does eat meat should be able to actually do that but I think that is maybe a little extreme so keep it to myself (damn, I've just said it on the interweb). Dunno. Big old question. Most wild animals will meet a painful and unpleasant death if you think about it. No nursing homes for pigeons. They get to the point where they can't fly and then something comes along and eats them alive. Same for most other species.

 

[czechmate]

My daughter says, when she sees meat, all she can see is an animals being killed.
I know I hate loading my fat bulls and get very irritated if I see a driver hitting unessecesarily...
But of course I don't know what happens after and that thought remains with me all day when we have loaded

 

[Northeastfarmer]

My daughter says, when she sees meat, all she can see is an animals being killed.
I know I hate loading my fat bulls and get very irritated if I see a driver hitting unessecesarily...
But of course I don't know what happens after and that thought remains with me all day when we have loaded

Same here, but keeping cattle and finishing them and giving them a good life is something I've always loved...all this talk of vegans and ritual slaughter is taking my love away from the job

 

[jondear]

Completely true, they never had those mini cherry tomatoes then.
Dont know what my mother would have thought of slicing up one of todays for a salad, I suspect a bit of grumbling

And they usually have no flavour and don't have that tomato smell. Especially the cherry ones from Spain.

 

[awkward]

As i said, I don't debate it with my daughter. For one thing she is far too clever for me, another I basically agree with her, esp regarding modern pork, chimed and eggs. I like animals so it is difficult. I don't have the same problem with beef and lamb as at least they had a good life. My daughters argument is its a pointless life. I say that I am sure the animal would disagree but would conceed I am sure they would prefers it to be longer.
I wouldn't rule out turning veggie myself.

no one here is against the dietary choices people make. it's more about the anti campaign the more militant lifestylers have . and the lack of tolerance to how we make our living

 

[Pasty]

no one here is against the dietary choices people make. it's more about the anti campaign the more militant lifestylers have . and the lack of tolerance to how we make our living

But you just have to ignore that. It will happen whatever and it happens all over. Mr Hamilton has burned way more oil than many of us will do in many life times and continues to do so and that is pointed out again and again. Does he care? Nope. It;s just stuff.

Problem is that people are confused about the difference between a feed lot and a field of sucklers. How are they to know? They have plenty of worries of their own. So it's up to us to educate them if we can. Not get all defensive and insular.

 

[Greenbeast]

At the end of the day, eating meat means putting a bullet or similar in an animal's head. I can cope with that and do it. I have an opinion that anyone who does eat meat should be able to actually do that but I think that is maybe a little extreme so keep it to myself (damn, I've just said it on the interweb).

I have thought this before, less sure now. I eat venison, and i appreciate the need to control the population, so i'm happy eating it. And have wondered if i saw the deer through the scope could i pull the trigger on, what is still to me, an elusive and beautiful creature?
I have (or been directly involved with) slaughter and processing of poultry, pigs and cows (home consumption at my parents place), so i have none/few qualms about it in general for meat production.

I don't think a meat eater should have to be able to do the deed themselves but on the flip side i am irritated by those who don't (or won't) consider what goes into putting meat on their plate. I have family that won't let me talk about where the calves or the pigs are off to next week, etc...

 

[Pasty]

I have thought this before, less sure now. I eat venison, and i appreciate the need to control the population, so i'm happy eating it. And have wondered if i saw the deer through the scope could i pull the trigger on, what is still to me, an elusive and beautiful creature?
I have (or been directly involved with) slaughter and processing of poultry, pigs and cows (home consumption at my parents place), so i have none/few qualms about it in general for meat production.

I don't think a meat eater should have to be able to do the deed themselves but on the flip side i am irritated by those who don't (or won't) consider what goes into putting meat on their plate. I have family that won't let me talk about where the calves or the pigs are off to next week, etc...

Yeah, I'm not sure. I could pull the trigger on a deer. They are pure evil after all. With their big old eyes and graceful gait. But yeah. I don't suppose you have to be able to do it. I just don't like all the denial and I guess I went from veggie to neck wringer in one go. I had killed animals before. Mainly game. But I think part of converting back to meat was the ability to do the deed myself. I guess 99% of people skirt around that fact and that act and maybe that's OK.

 

[czechmate]

Yeah, I'm not sure. I could pull the trigger on a deer. They are pure evil after all. With their big old eyes and graceful gait. But yeah. I don't suppose you have to be able to do it. I just don't like all the denial and I guess I went from veggie to neck wringer in one go. I had killed animals before. Mainly game. But I think part of converting back to meat was the ability to do the deed myself. I guess 99% of people skirt around that fact and that act and maybe that's OK.

Going the other way. And it's big business down your way, what I really can't stomach - is folks killing animals just for fun. Ie driven pheasants :-(

 

[Greenbeast]

Going the other way. And it's big business down your way, what I really can't stomach - is folks killing animals just for fun. Ie driven pheasants :-(

Agreed, any kind of hunting for enjoyment is not on, afaic

 

[Castle Farm]

My eldest son turned vegan and brought my grandson up for a few years on the same crap..Stunted his growth.. As most farmers know it;s what the youngsters get early in life makes them.

 

[Pasty]

Going the other way. And it's big business down your way, what I really can't stomach - is folks killing animals just for fun. Ie driven pheasants :-(

Indeed and I did, as a lad beat and pick up on one such shoot. I sort of thought it was all sporting at the time but then got pretty disgusted with it. Especially when a bird went back to an already beaten drive and they would go and get 'the barsteward' or whatever. I still don't really get the appeal. I liked being out-doors and working with my dog but it's a horrible thing. Plus I got shot twice so I suppose that is karma. I do think about that whole thing a lot.

 

[czechmate]

My eldest son turned vegan and brought my grandson up for a few years on the same crap..Stunted his growth.. As most farmers know it;s what the youngsters get early in life makes them.

Do you think that helps? A post worded that way on the www and hey presto, another 10 vegans.

 

[ARW]

I wonder how many vegans there will be when the apocalypse happens!

 

[czechmate]

I wonder how many vegans there will be when the apocalypse happens!

Why do you wonder that?
Is it possible to answer?

 

[ARW]

When real hunger strikes been a vegan will be forgotten.

 

[Granite Farmer]

I do not have a problem with people who choose to have a meat/dairy etc free diet. It is the cult 'Veganism' that irritates me.

 

[czechmate]

When real hunger strikes been a vegan will be forgotten.

I do find myself wondering what the world population will be when the "apocalypse" happens? I recon maybe 9 bill?

 

[czechmate]

I do not have a problem with people who choose to have a meat/dairy etc free diet. It is the cult 'Veganism' that irritates me.

Yes. And my daughter is not that way which is maybe why it is easy for me to see her point of view