Vegans view of the World post livestock.

[Jackov Altraids]

No I realised just how hypocritical the human race is when it come to animal cruelty. For example being hypocritical scum and calling those that eat dogs and cats monsters and demanding them be jailed while they themselves funds the suffering of billions of animals. Hopefully an alien life lands on earth and wiped this cancer known as humanity of the face of the earth.

There is a huge amount of hypocrisy in the world but in general I would consider it is much less prevalent in agriculture than the wider society.
Many farmers are still 'jacks/ jills of all trades, with an understanding of different views and the complex relationship between all systems, something all your posts have clearly lacked.
It is clear from your insistence on referring to the animals on our farms as slaves that you, quite understandably, lack the understanding of the relationship between a farmer and their stock.
Most farmers dedicate as much, if not more, time, money and energy on their stock as any person would on a pet and would probably be more concerned about the conditions some cats and dogs were kept in than whether they were going to be eaten [if killed humanely].
For most of us, farming is about helping nature to be more efficient and providing the things we need. Within that, there is probably much more scope for nature in livestock systems than those growing crops. The most sustainable system would be small mixed farming using manure to grow crops and chickens to control pests etc. which is precisely the thing you seem to be aiming your vitriol at.

Edited to add;

When I was young, I loaded up the animals for slaughter because I was told to.
After my father died, I had to go through a deep philosophical discussion with myself as to whether I should do it. Having considered all the logical conclusions to all the alternatives I concluded there was no better way for the animals to exist and I have continued happily.
This brings things back to David. 's original question. @Veganguy , if you don't wish to address any other points in this thread, please tell us how the world would be if you could mould it to your desire.

 

[TelesnaAg]

I hope vegans are good fire fighters.

Ant...

 

[Farmer_Joe]

'factory farms'

you been to many farms in the uk?

ive prob been to hundreds and yet to witness anything like what would be known as a factory farm,

best thing you could do is buy British most of the images and facts you have are from foreign countries where its just mass production without the std or protection you get from British farmed products.

 

[SteveHants]

Who has put so much hatred into your heart and mind?

Change your friends. Find better, kinder, more humane people to be among. You owe it to yourself.

Ooooo! Existentialist angst!
Don't worry, it'll be nihilism next.
Do you mostly wear black by any chance?

 

[delilah]

Hey @Veganguy , hope you've had a good day. I see you have been on here this afternoon so you will have seen my challenge, hope you're up for it. I will go first as have made an early start on tea

Everything for tonight's meal was produced within a three mile radius of the kitchen. The vegetables are from a Soil Association certified farm. The chops are from a Portland (a sheep breed), slaughtered at 18 months of age. For the first 17 months it had nothing but mothers milk and grass. That grass is on poor quality ground, which for reasons of topography, soil type and tenancy agreement can only be used for sheep grazing. The land is managed to organic standards. I could lie to you and say that the lamb only had milk and grass but I feel it is important that we are both honest with each other here, so I will acknowledge that it had some concentrate feed in its last month. We can discuss the ingredients of that feed if you like, but I think it's your turn now. What's on the menu for vegan tea tonight ?

 

[Jerry]

He never answered a single one of my questions so dont expect a reply........

(Ill be around in about 30 mins for dinner, I like my chops pink in the middle)

 

[primmiemoo]

Ooooo! Existentialist angst!
Don't worry, it'll be nihilism next.
Do you mostly wear black by any chance?

Not black, no, but very, very, very dark blue.

 

[Raider112]

'factory farms'

you been to many farms in the uk?

ive prob been to hundreds and yet to witness anything like what would be known as a factory farm,

best thing you could do is buy British most of the images and facts you have are from foreign countries where its just mass production without the std or protection you get from British farmed products.

Don't let the facts get in the way etc.

 

[Veganguy]

Hey @Veganguy , hope you've had a good day. I see you have been on here this afternoon so you will have seen my challenge, hope you're up for it. I will go first as have made an early start on tea

Everything for tonight's meal was produced within a three mile radius of the kitchen. The vegetables are from a Soil Association certified farm. The chops are from a Portland (a sheep breed), slaughtered at 18 months of age. For the first 17 months it had nothing but mothers milk and grass. That grass is on poor quality ground, which for reasons of topography, soil type and tenancy agreement can only be used for sheep grazing. The land is managed to organic standards. I could lie to you and say that the lamb only had milk and grass but I feel it is important that we are both honest with each other here, so I will acknowledge that it had some concentrate feed in its last month. We can discuss the ingredients of that feed if you like, but I think it's your turn now. What's on the menu for vegan tea tonight ?

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Shame a defenseless animal had to suffer for you to enjoy your meal.

 

[Veganguy]

Go away @Veganguy and come back when you've grown up a bit. You are quite boring. Enslavement and Aliens, grow up!

That's exactly what the treat ment of these billions of animals are - enslavement.

And maybe if a more intelligent live came to earth and started giving humans a taste of their own medicine in regards to how they treat billions of animals then maybe humans would be a bit more compassionate.

 

[Veganguy]

You must’ve been good if mums given you back your internet privileges.



already happening, follow your unnatural vegan beliefs to their ultimate end and that’s where we‘ll end up. Producing our food in actual factories or sterile artificially fertilised land, total disconnect with growing and farming. Wouldn’t take much for the wheels to fall off.

well done.

You mean like is already done in the meat and dairy industry?

 

[Veganguy]

Hmm more hate, and now wishing for animal and human genocide.

Humans are pretty hateful to many animals themselves.

 

[Veganguy]

'factory farms'

you been to many farms in the uk?

Yes i have

 

[Veganguy]

There is a huge amount of hypocrisy in the world but in general I would consider it is much less prevalent in agriculture than the wider society.
Many farmers are still 'jacks/ jills of all trades, with an understanding of different views and the complex relationship between all systems, something all your posts have clearly lacked.
It is clear from your insistence on referring to the animals on our farms as slaves that you, quite understandably, lack the understanding of the relationship between a farmer and their stock.
Most farmers dedicate as much, if not more, time, money and energy on their stock as any person would on a pet and would probably be more concerned about the conditions some cats and dogs were kept in than whether they were going to be eaten [if killed humanely].
For most of us, farming is about helping nature to be more efficient and providing the things we need. Within that, there is probably much more scope for nature in livestock systems than those growing crops. The most sustainable system would be small mixed farming using manure to grow crops and chickens to control pests etc. which is precisely the thing you seem to be aiming your vitriol at.

Edited to add;

When I was young, I loaded up the animals for slaughter because I was told to.
After my father died, I had to go through a deep philosophical discussion with myself as to whether I should do it. Having considered all the logical conclusions to all the alternatives I concluded there was no better way for the animals to exist and I have continued happily.
This brings things back to David. 's original question. @Veganguy , if you don't wish to address any other points in this thread, please tell us how the world would be if you could mould it to your desire.

A world without the enslavement of billions of animals.

 

[curlietailz]

My observation is:- So it is probable that as a generalisation a Vegan does not care about carbon emissions and green house gasses.
If they did they would not wear cotton, not eat almonds or soya or palm oil or anything that had to be flown in from abroad

a True Vegan only cares about not killing animals .....and cannot therefore care about the environment

 

[Veganguy]

Yes, I agree that @Veganguy should attend to his body's need for wholesome, nutritious food.

My point is that he needs to wake up to the harm his influencers are wreaking on his mental health and wellbeing, and either stop watching them on his screen, or if he's mixing with them in Real Life, physically leave them.

Nobody influenced me. I think for myself.

 

[AGN76]

Shame a defenseless animal had to suffer for you to enjoy your meal.

Let's see your meal. You won't will you because you'll be seen as a hypocrite.

 

[wrenbird]

Yes i have

Are you actually based in the UK? I have my doubts that you are.

 

[jondear]

Always appears about 1am .Perhaps he's secretly a vampire!

 

[AGN76]

Always appears about 1am .Perhaps he's secretly a vampire!

A vegan vampire!