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[JP1]

While I agree with the sentiments , I feel that morally it's only right that NFU members can be justified in picketing or demonstrating outside NFU ivory towers .
I'm not a member and therefore they could quite justified in saying to me " why are you here complaining about what we do when you aren't a member,"
Surely it's the responsibility of disgruntled NFU members to lobby and protest at what their own organisation is failing to do .

In other words .... with all the dissatisfaction going on at Everton football club ,it's their own crowd that are protesting about it not the Anfield or Old Trafford.

I'm I favour of protesting but it's very very important that
A, we have a clear agenda
B, The general public are clear what it's about
C, Got to well organised .

I'm not convinced the general public ,by and large , will be sympathetic with £250,000 tractors clogging up the roads with out really understanding why .

Absolutely not

They claim to represent the farming industry to the Minister, the various federations internationally and agreed to GfC in RT in Sept23

They’ve now morphed review 2 in cahoots with AHDB so the only thing I might suggest is a picket of both as they’re at Stoneleigh

The cartel RT controls the cull cow trade for me and that’s the NFU that’s allowed that

 

[Optimus]

For that bit you need Jeremy Clarkson to be putting the message out. Love him or hate him, he’s got the general public watching farming and paying some interest in it.

That's who the BFU need getting on board as spokes person.people would take a lot more notice then.

 

[Mc115reed]

I’ll have it on some spring stubble

I’ll let you know where too collect it from when the dust has settled

 

[Tamar]

Good Friday protest ............ is that not an Irish thing !?!

That will get the politicians worried

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Good Friday is definitely NOT a good day for a protest. .... alienate nearly all the Christian farmers !
Good Friday may not mean anything to some but it does to others and we need everybody on board

 

[betweenthelines]

TBH I'm not at all sure what most farmers have to protest about.

Everyone in the UK has been affected by inflation and a good many wage earners have also been hit by below inflation wage rises.

Any member of the public can look on TFF and see the "milk price tracker" thread that seems to have morphed into a "how to avoid income tax" thread, the numerous "What new pick up" type of discussion, and of course the public can see the ever rising livestock and land prices.

Didn't Harold MacMillan have a saying that the general public might well feel reflects the current farming situation?

As for complaining about too much paperwork and red tape everyone in the Country (except the Civil Service) would say the same.


I can remember when Farmers For Action picketed a Milk Processors site in Somerset. With a large tractor dealership on the same site, the Dairy's Management was quick to point out that the "impoverished" farmers where driving tractors worth well into 6 figures.

 

[Grass And Grain]

No farmers no food twitter account has got 41,600 followers in under 4 weeks. That's impressive, and possibly shows how much concern there is out there by farmers.

For the record, BFU haven't even contemplated organising any protests. We've enough on with Red Tractor and their GFC!!! Yes people have talked about protests on here, etc. but certainly no BFU led protests planned.

And if anyone is thinking of organising protests (I understand why), then personally I think make them peaceful and don't inconvenience the public or cause any damage like we've seen video footage of in France.

I don't think it's necessary to declare numbers yet unless you have a seriously impressive number. After all who knows how many true farmers there are within the NFU.

It may put people off joining if they think the BFU are just a dozen keyboard warriors working in a forum and perhaps shedding a bit more light on a member of the steering committee in terms of them, their business and ideas in a main stream farm media publication may be useful to inspirer others at this time. It doesn't want to look like a campaign for president, just a article to give a bit more context to what BFU membership is about. I don't underestimate the bravery required in doing this.

Usernames on here are very useful. Anonymity is useful. It's allowing enough people on here who are involved in the cause to attend NFU meetings and use their NFU connections to apply pressure.

Your doing a great job thus far.

Yes the username thing is a bit of a bugbear. However, we can have members who might be bit NFU people for example, and they can join and sort of comment anonymously. Committee or anyone running the database of names/addresses would possibly see who the actual people are.

For the record, each and every member so far has joined under their real names and addresses afaik. What I mean is, we haven't had any Donald Ducks or Donald Trump style signups.

 

[primmiemoo]

No farmers no food twitter account has got 41,600 followers in under 4 weeks. That's impressive, and possibly shows how much concern there is out there by farmers.

For the record, BFU haven't even contemplated organising any protests. We've enough on with Red Tractor and their GFC!!! Yes people have talked about protests on here, etc. but certainly no BFU led protests planned.

And if anyone is thinking of organising protests (I understand why), then personally I think make them peaceful and don't inconvenience the public or cause any damage like we've seen video footage of in France.


Yes the username thing is a bit of a bugbear. However, we can have members who might be bit NFU people for example, and they can join and sort of comment anonymously. Committee or anyone running the database of names/addresses would possibly see who the actual people are.

For the record, each and every member so far has joined under their real names and addresses afaik. What I mean is, we haven't had any Donald Ducks or Donald Trump style signups.

It's impressive increase in followers until you recognise the filth behind that twitter account is manipulating every useful fool that hoves into its path for amplification.

This is not some disagreement between Farming organisations, this is carefully organised campaigning to use Farmers as tools for disruption. Not only neofascists involved, but neoliberals waiting ringside to capitalise on the aftermath.

 

[Grass And Grain]

It's impressive increase in followers until you recognise the filth behind that twitter account is manipulating every useful fool that hoves into its path for amplification.

This is not some disagreement between Farming organisations, this is carefully organised campaigning to use Farmers as tools for disruption. Not only neofascists involved, but neoliberals waiting ringside to capitalise on the aftermath.

I haven't really read anything about it to see what they're up to tbh (although I did click to follow the account the other day, but I'm still non the wiser).

I've no idea what neofascists or neoliberals are! All a bit over my head. Think I'll leave them to it.

 

[soapsud]

No Farmers No Food is a great slogan. @primmiemoo - you says they've been captured? Give us a bit more please?

Some on here define a farmer as a grower not a food producer. Would the fully signed up SFI and CS landowners want to be lumped into a non-farming camp?

 

[primmiemoo]

No Farmers No Food is a great slogan. @primmiemoo - you says they've been captured? Give us a bit more please?

Some on here define a farmer as a grower not a food producer. Would the fully signed up SFI and CS landowners want to be lumped into a non-farming camp?

The slogan comes from Falung Gong funded disruption campaigning. It, and the other filth stirring up discord do not care on jot nor tittle about farmers, farming, or any other people involved with agriculture ~ however those organisations or individuals might identify.

Conspiracy Influencers Bandwagon on Farmers’ Protests

From Reuters: French and Belgian farmers angry about rising costs, EU environmental policies and cheap food imports blocked highways and access roads to a major container port on Tuesday as the pro…

barthsnotes.com

 

[primmiemoo]

I haven't really read anything about it to see what they're up to tbh (although I did click to follow the account the other day, but I'm still non the wiser).

I've no idea what neofascists or neoliberals are! All a bit over my head. Think I'll leave them to it.

You're old enough to have known someone who was directly affected by fascism. You may be old enough to remember when Margaret Thatcher's Tory party opened the door to present neoliberalism in GB by starting off privatisation ~ without the braking system in place that was stipulated by the economist who inspired the idea. Neoliberalism as demonstrated elsewhere in the world can be compared with velociraptors when it comes to ambush and opportunism in economies. Only less cuddly.

 

[Grass And Grain]

You're old enough to have known someone who was directly affected by fascism. You may be old enough to remember when Margaret Thatcher's Tory party opened the door to present neoliberalism in GB by starting off privatisation ~ without the braking system in place that was stipulated by the economist who inspired the idea. Neoliberalism as demonstrated elsewhere in the world can be compared with velociraptors when it comes to ambush and opportunism in economies. Only less cuddly.

Suppose I should understand and follow all this better, but I might be better sticking to farming and Red Tractor campaigning. And other BFU work.

It's not irrelevant though. Finding that out this last week or two. Now BFU is getting known, we're getting requests for all sorts of things, and sometimes the person might have a hidden agenda of their own. So need to be savvy not to get too caught up associated something which isn't really BFU's thoughts/policy. It's a minefield out there.

 

[DrWazzock]

I certainly won’t be putting my name to any sort of militant protest that damages property or inconveniences the public.
My only real gripe is with the insidious power of RT to entrap and control market access, preventing sale of non RT product.
But I feel we can all do something there by not signing up to GFC unless we are absolutely forced to do so, and as far as combinable crops are concerned I can’t see why any of us need to sign up to it. I also do all I can to carry on selling lambs non assured. I’ve also told one grain merchant I won’t sell him anything anymore unless he can accept non assured. So I’m still stuck selling RT to the other merchant but at least it makes one merchant know he’ll get no more business unless he can do non RT. As much as I can do really.

 

[soapsud]

The slogan comes from Falung Gong funded disruption campaigning. It, and the other filth stirring up discord do not care on jot nor tittle about farmers, farming, or any other people involved with agriculture ~ however those organisations or individuals might identify.

Conspiracy Influencers Bandwagon on Farmers’ Protests

From Reuters: French and Belgian farmers angry about rising costs, EU environmental policies and cheap food imports blocked highways and access roads to a major container port on Tuesday as the pro…

barthsnotes.com

Thanks but I'm too old for rabbit holes!

 

[soapsud]

Margaret Thatcher's Tory party opened the door to present neoliberalism in GB by starting off privatisation

Some commentators (or common 'tatoes as Wogan used to say) welcomed her corporate managerial efficiencies - even if it was re-selling to us what we already had! And leaving us with nearly the highest utility bills in the West, sewage in the rivers and coastlines, etc.

It's when our masters start turning the countryside upside down (french signposts) that causes upsets. Right to roam is de-privatising property and obviously will affect farm livelihood. And carbon tax as a means of controlling/measuring Net Zero is no doubt the next spreadsheetable privatisation on the financiers' list.

Where will it end?

Neoliberalism famously funds all these proxy wars we've been having. Well I wonder if it can backfire and work in reverse?

Suppose the EU protests will have an influence on our leaders by proxy too by increasing food costs in UK shops? If so, UK farming might not be dieing just yet!

 

[Henarar]

I certainly won’t be putting my name to any sort of militant protest that damages property or inconveniences the public.
My only real gripe is with the insidious power of RT to entrap and control market access, preventing sale of non RT product.
But I feel we can all do something there by not signing up to GFC unless we are absolutely forced to do so, and as far as combinable crops are concerned I can’t see why any of us need to sign up to it. I also do all I can to carry on selling lambs non assured. I’ve also told one grain merchant I won’t sell him anything anymore unless he can accept non assured. So I’m still stuck selling RT to the other merchant but at least it makes one merchant know he’ll get no more business unless he can do non RT. As much as I can do really.

Best mass protest against RT is to leave the stupid rubbish

 

[delilah]

No Farmers No Food is a great slogan.

It's a shite slogan. There are less farmers year on year yet we are awash with food.

The lentil knitters have a better one. It gets to the heart of the matter, the one question that matters: Consolidation, or diversity ?

 

[kiwi pom]

While I agree with the sentiments , I feel that morally it's only right that NFU members can be justified in picketing or demonstrating outside NFU ivory towers .
I'm not a member and therefore they could quite justified in saying to me " why are you here complaining about what we do when you aren't a member,"
Surely it's the responsibility of disgruntled NFU members to lobby and protest at what their own organisation is failing to do .

In other words .... with all the dissatisfaction going on at Everton football club ,it's their own crowd that are protesting about it not the Anfield or Old Trafford.

I'm I favour of protesting but it's very very important that
A, we have a clear agenda
B, The general public are clear what it's about
C, Got to well organised .

I'm not convinced the general public ,by and large , will be sympathetic with £250,000 tractors clogging up the roads with out really understanding why .

It amazes me how many non NFU members think they are entitled to some kind of say in what they do, or that their opinion should be taken into account.
Not how unions work I'm afraid, not a member, nothing you can do even if what they do may end up affecting you.
That's just how it works I'm afraid.

 

[kiwi pom]

Best mass protest against RT is to leave the stupid rubbish

Not going to happen, the big boys complain about it, but they never intend to leave while it's there. They realise it's harder for the small farmers to comply with it, so they are less likely to do it, so competition reduces.
If you're a big operation with employees you don't even have to get involved with it, just have someone do it.
This notion that everyone will stand together is silly, farmers are all competing with one another, they just won't admit it.