Wheat pre em

[teslacoils]

For those suggesting double applications of Flufenacet, all new formulations containing it as an ingredient here are banned on drained land because so much is turning up in watercourses. Only old products will be allowed until they come up for renewal and the new labels will probably say people with drains won't be allowed it any more. Metazachlore is going the same way.

It just may be that double applications of the same active is not such a good idea, before we even get on to the resistance implications.

Nothing I suggest is against UK labelling rules. Removal of flufenacet from land with field drains in the UK will be "interesting".

 

[nxy]

Nothing I suggest is against UK labelling rules. Removal of flufenacet from land with field drains in the UK will be "interesting".

Its unlikely to make it past the next round of renewals anyway because its one of those"plastic forever" molecules which I think the UK and EU both signed up to banning. If they don't ban it they will be breaking their own rules.

We (and by we I mean UK and EU) will probably also lose chlortoluron, pendimethalin and DFF at their next renewals as well so probably within 5 years leaving not much left for the classic pre emergence cocktail.

Oh and here prosulfocarbe is legal over drains but has been been banned from being used within 500m of most fruit and veg crops.

Currently if you have a field next to an orchard or veg crop over drains you can use 2.5 litres of trooper/crystal pre emerg and 120g DFF once. No other residuals are allowed. Its likely we will lose the Trooper in 2025 and rely on contacts if they are still working on those farms.

 

[Hindsight]

Its unlikely to make it past the next round of renewals anyway because its one of those"plastic forever" molecules which I think the UK and EU both signed up to banning. If they don't ban it they will be breaking their own rules.

We (and by we I mean UK and EU) will probably also lose chlortoluron, pendimethalin and DFF at their next renewals as well so probably within 5 years leaving not much left for the classic pre emergence cocktail.

Oh and prosulfocarbe is legal over drains but has been been banned from being used within 500m of most fruit and veg crops.

Currently if you have a field next to an orchard or veg crop over drains you can use 2.5 litres of trooper/crystal pre emerg and 120g DFF once. No other residuals are allowed. Its likely we will lose the Trooper in 2025 and rely on contacts if they are still working on those farms.

DFF is in firing line due to persistence, hence in UK more interest in Picolinafen. Prosulfocarb problems with vapour phase leading to movement out of target field, that also applies to Triallate and Pendimethalin. Flufanacet leaches and as used so widely is frequently found at high levels in water. Our using double doses doesn’t help. Fun regulatory times ahead.

 

[Flat 10]

DFF is in firing line due to persistence, hence in UK more interest in Picolinafen. Prosulfocarb problems with vapour phase leading to movement out of target field, that also applies to Triallate and Pendimethalin. Flufanacet leaches and as used so widely is frequently found at high levels in water. Our using double doses doesn’t help. Fun regulatory times ahead.

They will have to live with high grain prices because there will be sod all

 

[Flat 10]

DFF is in firing line due to persistence, hence in UK more interest in Picolinafen. Prosulfocarb problems with vapour phase leading to movement out of target field, that also applies to Triallate and Pendimethalin. Flufanacet leaches and as used so widely is frequently found at high levels in water. Our using double doses doesn’t help. Fun regulatory times ahead.

Your idea of fun and mine are very different

 

[teslacoils]

Given the increased ability to detect levels way to low to do any damage, the reality is we are going towards times where nothing effective or persistent will get through the registration process.

 

[teslacoils]

DFF is in firing line due to persistence, hence in UK more interest in Picolinafen. Prosulfocarb problems with vapour phase leading to movement out of target field, that also applies to Triallate and Pendimethalin. Flufanacet leaches and as used so widely is frequently found at high levels in water. Our using double doses doesn’t help. Fun regulatory times ahead.

Double doses of flufenacet means no dose of prosulfocarb, pdm, or triallate.

This is a concern for the future. I don't take future regulatary approval into account when deciding what goes on in a fortnight.

A removal of all this chem will mean it's continuous, plough based spring barley here.

 

[Hindsight]

Double doses of flufenacet means no dose of prosulfocarb, pdm, or triallate.

This is a concern for the future. I don't take future regulatary approval into account when deciding what goes on in a fortnight.

A removal of all this chem will mean it's continuous, plough based spring barley here.

Indeed.

 

[Flat 10]

Given the increased ability to detect levels way to low to do any damage, the reality is we are going towards times where nothing effective or persistent will get through the registration process.

Especially given that water companies are worse polluters than farmers it’s all a bit rich

 

[teslacoils]

Especially given that water companies are worse polluters than farmers it’s all a bit rich

The political spin is that "water companies produce water, which we need, and a bit of pollution". Whereas "farmers produce pollution, and a bit of food which we can just as easily import". Once pretty much laughs at regulation, and dishes out non-exec directorships to those who facilitate, the other is a whipping boy and "low hanging fruit" for any quango.

 

[Neddy flanders]

Avadex is the option for those who don't want to double stack the flufenacet. But I'll say now you will get better control from liberator followed by generic liberator, than liberator plus avadex.

The heavy rain of a week or so ago has really done the job for us. Now, with half a day field walking, we can decide what's a goer and what can go in with spring barley or even winter beans now, rather than in a month's time.

Dad on the other hand will start ploughing next week for barley to be drilled April 24. I will spend the next six months thinking about blackgrass. Who's the bigger fool? Direct drilled malting barley pooed on my winter wheat margins this year.

why cant you double stack FFCT with Avadex?

 

[Hindsight]

why cant you double stack FFCT with Avadex?

Because he doesn’t want to pay £45 hectare plus spreading for Avadex. Thats why. No other reason. Thinks it expensive, I assume.

 

[teslacoils]

Its too dear for what it does.

 

[Neddy flanders]

How complicated has Wheat Pre-em and peri-em choice got this year!!! honestly going round in circles looking at trial data and combinations/twinpacks...some products appear useless in drier early drilled conditions, but a massive stack seems to work!!
come on, what to use for
a) low BG pressure drill date 1st Oct
b) high BG Pressure drill date 20th Oct

 

[ollie989898]

Tired of spending your hard earned with Bayer and BASF?

Go back to real farming with a 6 or 7 furrow Kvernland plough. Enjoy a slower pace of life. Open the back window, smell the Earth. Tell me it doesn't sound better than undoing the foils off of 80 cans of Liberator? Smells better, too.

 

[teslacoils]

Tired of spending your hard earned with Bayer and BASF?

Go back to real farming with a 6 or 7 furrow Kvernland plough. Enjoy a slower pace of life. Open the back window, smell the Earth. Tell me it doesn't sound better than undoing the foils off of 80 cans of Liberator? Smells better, too.

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My daddy out ploughing today. Will plant barley in April. 3t spring malting barley will sh!t on 3.5t of winter feed barley for margin. Still, like HS2, my wheat will keep more folk in employment. Call it a public service.

 

[ollie989898]

My daddy out ploughing today. Will plant barley in April. 3t spring malting barley will sh!t on 3.5t of winter feed barley for margin. Still, like HS2, my wheat will keep more folk in employment. Call it a public service.

Can't beat a bit of winter to make a seed bed.

 

[teslacoils]

Can't beat a bit of winter to make a seed bed.

Trouble is, if we get a cack April then we get no crop worth growing.

 

[Brisel]

Tired of spending your hard earned with Bayer and BASF?

Go back to real farming with a 6 or 7 furrow Kvernland plough. Enjoy a slower pace of life. Open the back window, smell the Earth. Tell me it doesn't sound better than undoing the foils off of 80 cans of Liberator? Smells better, too.

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Are you trying to say that you don't need a pre em after ploughing??

You've gone a long way from being a distributor agronomist!

 

[ollie989898]

Are you trying to say that you don't need a pre em after ploughing??

You've gone a long way from being a distributor agronomist!

Hey, I'd class 3/4 rate Galivor as being a pre-em, that'll do nicely.... Gotta put something on to keep the charlock out till spring.