Wheat pre em

[fudge]

In a week or two I will let you know how Winter Wheat and Winter Barley looks that received a great stack of herbicide earlier this week. If after the quantity of spray cans and the rain there is just one Blackgrass plant I am personally going to take my BASF / Gowan / Bayer local reps into fields and stick there noses, literally, into the mud!! Will keep you posted. And will take any pictures as appropriate.

With capitalism there is always the small print. You, or rather your growers just need to read it. I haven’t bothered myself but I am sure therein will lie a few lines about excessive rainfall just after application. Here endth the sermon, let us pray.

 

[Hindsight]

With capitalism there is always the small print. You, or rather your growers just need to read it. I haven’t bothered myself but I am sure therein will lie a few lines about excessive rainfall just after application. Here endth the sermon, let us pray.

Yep. I encouraged my growers to crack on with pre ems. Over the decades my observation is I would prefer to have the stuff on and get rain than not have it on and find cannot travel for a couple of weeks. I can stand a bit of yellow wheat. The amount of Sunshine next June is more important. All a big game. I pray to all the Gods no particular affiliation.

 

[teslacoils]

Went from drill to gale to rain. Wasn't any time to spray.

 

[snarling bee]

Ditto for most of the wheat.
Expected rain but not 51mm.
Put Avadex on with rolls so at least there is some active there before we can get back on (likely to be at least one dry week for sprayer and 2 for drill)

 

[teslacoils]

Indeed. Conversation with agronomist was to get half on if the wind dropped and then go again when it had passed on Saturday. Lol.

 

[Wombat]

Mine will be going on tomorrow on the stuff drilled last Sunday evening

 

[Hindsight]

Indeed. Conversation with agronomist was to get half on if the wind dropped and then go again when it had passed on Saturday. Lol.

My observation over the years that while that may be good advice and excellent it falls apart in reality. There is as we move past the end of September less available spray opportunities, more spraying to do, and travelling and wind to contend with. Then you get agronomists wittering about using higher water volumes, low forward speed to minimise boom yaw etc. Just get the fecking stuff on is my mantra and get as much on in one gonas you can, as you may not get back. Also the reason inadvocate Avadex granules on the drill, but not applied by contractor, at least there is something on. Contractors to hit and miss. Thereth end the lesson! Will now be dry for three weeks solid with warm drying light breezes, so you can come back and poke fun at me in mid November at my clear madness. Cheers.

 

[farenheit]

My observation over the years that while that may be good advice and excellent it falls apart in reality. There is as we move past the end of September less available spray opportunities, more spraying to do, and travelling and wind to contend with. Then you get agronomists wittering about using higher water volumes, low forward speed to minimise boom yaw etc. Just get the fecking stuff on is my mantra and get as much on in one gonas you can, as you may not get back. Also the reason inadvocate Avadex granules on the drill, but not applied by contractor, at least there is something on. Contractors to hit and miss. Thereth end the lesson! Will now be dry for three weeks solid with warm drying light breezes, so you can come back and poke fun at me in mid November at my clear madness. Cheers.

Exactly. Remember that the vast majority of trials data about spraying technique is made by people who stop work at 5 on a Friday. I like the previous poster who said it’s about the ‘art of the possible’.

 

[teslacoils]

I'd certainly have preferred to have had some on, but there were zero possible spraying hours for me.

 

[Two Tone]

It’s Confused.com here!

Have become fairly convinced that Barley suffers less from pr-em damage than Wheat.

………But there again:

Bazooka Direct drilled at 100kgs/ha 27th Oct. Medium land
Sprayed Pre-em full rate in one go 1st Oct:
Avadex Factor 3.6 l/ha
Crystal 4.0 l/ha
DFF 0.2 l/ha

Sensation Direct drilled 150kgs/ha 16th Sep. Medium land
Sprayed Pre-em split rate : Heavy rain 19th Oct.
17th Oct: 23rd Oct:
Avadex Factor 2 l/ha. Avadex Factor1.6 l/ha
Crystal 2 l/ha. Crystal 2 l/ha
DFF 0.2 l/ha

To my mind it looks no better than the Bazooka, despite it being drilled earlier at a higher seed rate and the Pre-em was split. However, the Bazooka drilled at 2/3rds the seed rate and the Pre-was not split and it hammered it down on 2nd Oct!

Extase Wheat drilled 200kg/ha into Linseed stubble on Light land 24th October with full rate Pre-em 26th October :
Avadex Factor 3.6 l/ha
Loxinum Plus 0.7 l/ha
Stomp Aqua 2/l/ha

Definitely not as happy as I’d like it. But OK.


The heavy land will probably be a different story! Too early to look at the moment.
But a bit worried about it! Fortunately, it is all Barley and Hopefully will suffer less from heavy rain pushing the full rate Pre-em around the seed in the drill slot.
As I said, Arse clenching stuff!

 

[casemx 270]

My observation over the years that while that may be good advice and excellent it falls apart in reality. There is as we move past the end of September less available spray opportunities, more spraying to do, and travelling and wind to contend with. Then you get agronomists wittering about using higher water volumes, low forward speed to minimise boom yaw etc. Just get the fecking stuff on is my mantra and get as much on in one gonas you can, as you may not get back. Also the reason inadvocate Avadex granules on the drill, but not applied by contractor, at least there is something on. Contractors to hit and miss. Thereth end the lesson! Will now be dry for three weeks solid with warm drying light breezes, so you can come back and poke fun at me in mid November at my clear madness. Cheers.

Agree with you I ve gone with 165 to 170 litres of water depending on field area but speed wise I ve pushed on above recommended speed but it's on . Also my nozzle pressure was reasonable at around 3 bar and low drift.As regards wind and rain the last few loads of spray I got some c cure in stock so used some thought it might help with drift and hopefully keep pre em from disappearing into the lower layers of soil . Haven't got any avadex on anything yet but not sure it works that well so would sooner save the money and go with a more beefy post em .

 

[casemx 270]

Yesterday we had 36 mm and 6 mm the day before couldn't walk on anything yesterday so time will tell.

 

[warksfarmer]

Hoping it’s not been washed away . 200l, flat fans, 3 bar, 9km/hr in perfect conditions at the time on Thursday.

 

[Old apprentice]

Hoping it’s not been washed away . 200l, flat fans, 3 bar, 9km/hr in perfect conditions at the time on Thursday.

Was that drilled with the triton, one farmer I was talking to said his nabour did not like the unravel fields so would not but one .

 

[Renaultman]

So. No preem on. Water bubbling up where last year's tramlines were. What's the plan? Roundup in the mix and get it on and pray / don't look behind? Or get over the fact it's going to be silage next year, and don't make myself sad looking at it?

Just been down to Market Rasen ish (not sure how far that is away from you?)
It's bloody wet all the way from the M62 down

 

[teslacoils]

Just been down to Market Rasen ish (not sure how far that is away from you?)
It's bloody wet all the way from the M62 down

I'm a bit further west and a little south. Maybe twelve miles away. But yes, it's bloody wet.

 

[Two Tone]

Was that drilled with the triton, one farmer I was talking to said his labour did not like the unravel fields so would not but one .

Weaving GD

 

[warksfarmer]

Was that drilled with the triton, one farmer I was talking to said his labour did not like the unravel fields so would not but one .

Yes.

 

[Case290]

I’m worried.. rained Heavy shorty after pre em + avadex on some .. contractor stopped as started to rain so I’m pleased about that . I Did my best if the weather wants to be an arse nothing can be done now.

 

[average farmer]

I’m worried.. rained Heavy shorty after pre em + avadex on some .. contractor stopped as started to rain so I’m pleased about that . I Did my best if the weather wants to be an arse nothing can be done now.

in the same boat here , drilled 250 acres mon/tues and sprayed most of it on Thursday with 22 mm yesterday. Water stood on headlands yesterday evening.