Wheeled tractor for 8 metre Vaderstad

[Joseph]

Looking to go up to an 8 metre Rapid from 6m and need to match it to a tractor as well.
I don't really want to go down the tracklayer route due to them being so 1 dimensional.
It won't be a new tractor.
Will something like a Fendt 939, JD8360r or similar pull it well enough we are generally on flat heavy land mixture of plough and mintill.

Many thanks

 

[Lincs Lass]

Big place here run a Fendt 939 and its walks away with an 8mtr Varde,,they plough,press and work the lighter land ,not sure what other land they have but alot is free draining running into heavier winter ploughed

 

[johnboy 4610]

We run a fendt 939 on 710 tyres and then with 650 duals as well as it cuts in bad on a nice seed bed but well boss of the job

 

[PhilipWatkinsLtd]

Looking to go up to an 8 metre Rapid from 6m and need to match it to a tractor as well.
I don't really want to go down the tracklayer route due to them being so 1 dimensional.
It won't be a new tractor.
Will something like a Fendt 939, JD8360r or similar pull it well enough we are generally on flat heavy land mixture of plough and mintill.

Many thanks

How many acres of winter cereals to plant?

 

[Banana Bar]

Had an 8360r, 8360rt, challenger 765d and Quad 600 on an 8m Vaderstad rapid for years. Challenger is great until you want to get in then Quad is boss. Demo of Xerion 500 this autumn with intention of wider,shallower, faster and hopefully cheaper.

 

[matttargett4]

My experience would be if you don't use an artic or duals or both don't bother, demod a 1050 on flat land albeit wet, ploughed and pressed, pretty easy going, 15kph was the absolute limit of power, every wheelmark was visible with 900x46 tyres and fandango tyre inflation, in the same field we stopped changing up in the 535 quadrac at 20kph, on winter servers that are tough the 535 is still well in charge but as you know you need to be, I would estimate in tricky autumn conditions the 1050 would manage 12kph with a decent amount of wheelslip. We also drilled with our 930 in an emergency, it was a good effort, decent autumn conditions but not a gift, 10kph was on the power but you can see every wheel mark in the crop, this was on 710r42.
Those drills are heavy when loaded and if it weighs near the same as the tractor and you hit a wet patch look out.
I would buy the kind of tractor you are talking about in a cut version and pull a 6m faster and look for other savings, we often joke in a contracting scenario that it would be cheaper for us to send a man with a loadall to bring seed than own as much drilling capacity, but at the same time you can't beat being able to get it done quick

 

[Banana Bar]

My experience would be if you don't use an artic or duals or both don't bother, demod a 1050 on flat land albeit wet, ploughed and pressed, pretty easy going, 15kph was the absolute limit of power, every wheelmark was visible with 900x46 tyres and fandango tyre inflation, in the same field we stopped changing up in the 535 quadrac at 20kph, on winter servers that are tough the 535 is still well in charge but as you know you need to be, I would estimate in tricky autumn conditions the 1050 would manage 12kph with a decent amount of wheelslip. We also drilled with our 930 in an emergency, it was a good effort, decent autumn conditions but not a gift, 10kph was on the power but you can see every wheel mark in the crop, this was on 710r42.
Those drills are heavy when loaded and if it weighs near the same as the tractor and you hit a wet patch look out.
I would buy the kind of tractor you are talking about in a cut version and pull a 6m faster and look for other savings, we often joke in a contracting scenario that it would be cheaper for us to send a man with a loadall to bring seed than own as much drilling capacity, but at the same time you can't beat being able to get it done quick

Interesting, had no end of trouble with our Quad but if we had a season that went without a hitch ( on the quad ) I would probably keep it up to 8-9000hrs. Quad is best on drill without question

 

[matttargett4]

What problems have you had? We bought an 09 plate 2 yrs ago and it's been good, mainly use it under moderate load pretty faster, never high torque applications, just like being able to crack on and it cost no more than 939 would of the same age and the 8m drill was cheaper than a 6, as mentioned it's a one trick pony and sits for months but so does my combine and I don't bitch about that I just keep it an appropriate length of time

 

[Derky]

xerion is cheap horsepower by the looks of second hand ones.

 

[deleted user 837354]

xerion is cheap horsepower by the looks of second hand ones.

Hugely complex for a machine just to drag a drill about though?

 

[Brisel]

Or a Case/Ford Steiger? Cheap enough to have more than enough change to put a set of decent 900 tyres & rims on compared to a Xerion, Quadtrac or Cat. Great for getting the power to the ground too.

 

[Joseph]

Main reason for wanting to stay with a conventional tractor is so that it can still be used to move the spray bowser round in the spring on the odd occasion and move a trailer load of fert around or move an excavator on low loader. As I don't have spare tractors about for these jobs all the time.

 

[Joseph]

How many acres of winter cereals to plant?

Around 1600 acres. Average field size 8 hectares and most of that is drilled well into October and we also run an Avadex applicator on the back of the drill which probably reduces output by 15%.

 

[mo!]

Local guy uses an 8m combi Rapide on the biggest MF model. I've not seen any wheel marks but it's all heavy land and well worked in front of it. We don't have anything you'd call a hill here.

 

[Banana Bar]

What problems have you had? We bought an 09 plate 2 yrs ago and it's been good, mainly use it under moderate load pretty faster, never high torque applications, just like being able to crack on and it cost no more than 939 would of the same age and the 8m drill was cheaper than a 6, as mentioned it's a one trick pony and sits for months but so does my combine and I don't bitch about that I just keep it an appropriate length of time

That’s the difference between Cummins and FPT

 

[Farma Parma]

Local guy uses an 8m combi Rapide on the biggest MF model. I've not seen any wheel marks but it's all heavy land and well worked in front of it. We don't have anything you'd call a hill here.

well worked infront you say? id still have a big combi & work it less infront, far safer when the weather is iffy.
some canny looking 6m combi's around us, esp a Horsch KR.
id have a 4m version of it if they did one so i can move about our narrow Tourist infected roads.

 

[mo!]

well worked infront you say? id still have a big combi & work it less infront, far safer when the weather is iffy.
some canny looking 6m combi's around us, esp a Horsch KR.
id have a 4m version of it if they did one so i can move about our narrow Tourist infected roads.

He can drill an awful lot in a short time with 8m, two 6m PH working just in front. He'll aim to be drilled up by the end of September as well. The story is that he wanted a 6m but the ex demo 8 was cheaper. 4m folding combi drills are massive money for the output, and very heavy too.

 

[Farma Parma]

He can drill an awful lot in a short time with 8m, two 6m PH working just in front. He'll aim to be drilled up by the end of September as well. The story is that he wanted a 6m but the ex demo 8 was cheaper. 4m folding combi drills are massive money for the output, and very heavy too.

The Horsch KR one is diff to all the rest tho as it has an axle out the rear carrying half the weight when you lift it up!
the rest the tractor carrys so to speak.
Trust me ive seen this one done a backend & spring sowing & its mighty impressive,
the estate who run it got rid of a 4m Vaddy & 4m Amazone Combi & just run this 6m horsch now.
Some fab crops behind it in all sorts of land.
Saved a man driving the 2nd drill for a start.
Mind you they have a canny Valtra S374 upfront on 900 rears !!! it plays with it

 

[Farma Parma]

The same est who sow in excess of 2000acres with this also are normally drilled up by end of sept.
have land in about 6 locations, not all at same place.
I dont disagree with big PHs running infront of wide trailed min culti drills but the maths doesnt stack up
local contractor has similar issues but more than 50% of what he drills & thats 3000ac plus between
a 3 & 4m combi disc drills just wont do trailed drills, land to heavy, was talking to him today about it funny
enuff.

 

[mo!]

The Horsch KR one is diff to all the rest tho as it has an axle out the rear carrying half the weight when you lift it up!
the rest the tractor carrys so to speak.
Trust me ive seen this one done a backend & spring sowing & its mighty impressive,
the estate who run it got rid of a 4m Vaddy & 4m Amazone Combi & just run this 6m horsch now.
Some fab crops behind it in all sorts of land.
Saved a man driving the 2nd drill for a start.
Mind you they have a canny Valtra S374 upfront on 900 rears !!! it plays with it

We looked at the 3m KR and I liked it but bought a used 3m Sulky Xeos Pro instead. Nice looking drill.