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That's me, miserable bugger, likes ploughing up PP with smokey old Fords.I suspect it would depend on how that grassland is managed. If it runs cattle indoors on zero grazed, high input Westerwolds then it will have a far higher carbon footprint than the same farm with reasonable output from a rotational grazing system, outwintering on cell grazed grass or forage crops, and with no bought in concentrates.
Every farming system will be different.
Should the farmer, and his family’s, lifestyle be taken into account of too? If they’re miserable buggers that never go anywhere and live on homegrown veg & meat, then their carbon footprint will be many times lower than a family that flies off on skiing holidays and races cars for a hobby….just as a random example. I guess somewhere in the middle, will be a miserable bugger that doesn’t fly off on holiday, but keeps a fleet of Smokey old Fordsons to ride round in? @7610 super q @Clive
That's me, miserable bugger, likes ploughing up PP with smokey old Fords.
To my mind cattle grazing PP is the most environmentally friendly thing going, yet it's vilified by endless propaganda about cows farting. A really neat PR job from big business to deflect publicity away from their own actions. Whilst this is ongoing, I have to view the whole carbon credit thing as rubbish. Should farmers engage with the rubbish to take meagre short term handouts like mice looking for crumbs under the table ? I don't think so.
Carbon credits....
Tree planting.......
ELMS.......................
Didn't type " rubbish "
Already the case looking at the other carbon thread it’s not a fair assessment across Uk agriculture it seems to lean towards arable.Of course not.... you needed to have ripped all the hedges out years ago, get paid a fortune to put them back, depleted all the OM from the soil and sell carbon credits to build it up again.
Im of the opinion that grassland farms are going to get left behind.
You may well be right that farming can’t be truly sustainable but that can be said for just about anything indeed I’m sure farming can be more sustainable than most activities, be it a foreign holiday or a trip to the pub to watch the footyNot convinced any form of farming is ever going to be truly sustainable, but 'extensive' ranching type operations where cattle or other are grazed over a long term native grassland type environment with minimal inputs (including a lot of water use mind) I would consider as replicating natural habitats around the world where big areas of land manage to support often quite large herds of animals. I suppose putting sewage sludge back on the land would complete the cycle and you would have a pretty closed system.
I think we should look at the carbon footprint of fertliser (production, and it's effect on stored soil carbon too) as well as the effect of ploughing on soil carbon. My gut feeling is that organic (with regular ploughing) is far worse than non organic without ploughing. Likewise vegetarian food produced with soil losing carbon is far worse than pasture fed lamb or beef, but where do we find figures to tell us?Joking aside, what's the carbon footprint of manufacturing a new tractor / combine / drill ?
Also, fert and chems ?
I've asked this before, only to be met with tumbleweed.....
Growing tumbleweed = carbon friendly ?
So many questions...
Pretty sure the Haber Bosch process isn’t very energy efficient.I think we should look at the carbon footprint of fertliser (production, and it's effect on stored soil carbon too) as well as the effect of ploughing on soil carbon. My gut feeling is that organic (with regular ploughing) is far worse than non organic without ploughing. Likewise vegetarian food produced with soil losing carbon is far worse than pasture fed lamb or beef, but where do we find figures to tell us?
I guess the fertliser companies will not be paying for that research, nor will the vegetarian food production companies and as the government likes research to be industry led there will be none done, especially as Carrie and Zac Godsmith seem to run the opinions of Boris Johnson!
I am not sure if a 660 kg 13 month finished bull is more or less carbon efficient to a 660 kg 28 month steer finished on grass with a less intensive cereal input ?Cattle that only graze pp only will be quite efficient in terms of carbon I would have thought, but plenty are then housed on ad-Lib (or near) concentrates to finish, which is ultimately no different to the feed lot systems in the US, just on a smaller, less efficient scale.
From what research I've done you can't actually find anyone to buy carbon credits from grassland farms yet but you can get them for arable land. What the actual fudge is that about?!
From what research I've done you can't actually find anyone to buy carbon credits from grassland farms yet but you can get them for arable land. What the actual fudge is that about?!