Which 5 furrow plough?

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
The long 5's and 6's must put some serious strain on the tractor back end and the headstock.
Theory is it only needs to be fully mounted when turning (carefully especially on rough ground) on the headland, the plough should 'float' on the lower links in work and be semi mounted on a transport /combi wheel for .............. well transport.
 

Bury the Trash

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View attachment 1010105An old semi mounted is much easier on the backend of a tractor and they cost sweeties to buy👍
bit more awkward in smaller fields and harder to pull because the wheel isn't so far back and the extra weight of the second beam for the turnover .etc.
it mustn't be forgotten that Weight of a plough adds considerably to draft and extra weight on the tractor is also dead weight and causing compaction which the plough has then to pull out its a vicious circle .
That's why we are lucky enough to get away (mostly) with shearbolt legs , saves a lot of weight to start with.
 

Sandy

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Aberdeenshire
bit more awkward in smaller fields and harder to pull because the wheel isn't so far back and the extra weight of the second beam for the turnover .etc.
it mustn't be forgotten that Weight of a plough adds considerably to draft and extra weight on the tractor is also dead weight and causing compaction which the plough has then to pull out its a vicious circle .
That's why we are lucky enough to get away (mostly) with shearbolt legs , saves a lot of weight to start with.
I don’t know of a plough with shear bolts in Scotland as for pulling the semi mounted I don’t see any difference to a mounted 5f. Less turning as it’s a wider plough so less compaction on endrigs
 

Bury the Trash

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I don’t know of a plough with shear bolts in Scotland as for pulling the semi mounted I don’t see any difference to a mounted 5f. Less turning as it’s a wider plough so less compaction on endrigs
Tbh that fork on the front of @Chae1 tractor scares the heck out of me.

and i always thought Aberdeenshire (in the valleys) had deep soil :oops:

Ploughing on wet dung and slopes is where we get the biggest challenge for grip .
 

Sandy

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Aberdeenshire
Tbh that fork on the front of @Chae1 tractor scares the heck out of me.

and i always thought Aberdeenshire (in the valleys) had deep soil :oops:

Ploughing on wet dung and slopes is where we get the biggest challenge for grip .
It’s what’s hidden below the soil that scares me sometimes I’ve pulled Autoreset legs off before the stone fork is for the stones an Aberdeenshire treasure
 

Chae1

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Aberdeenshire
Love vari width. 🤓
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mf7480

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Kv ES all the way!!

I've been using kv all my days and I've tried the rest but too much faffing around adjusting stuff with them .The kv might not be perfect but as an every day plough they just do a good job with no faffing around adjusting things from field to field .

I'm waiting on another new ES coming I had an EG for 4 yrs and it's guttered out in some places compared to the es we have which is older and has done more work so we're keeping the old plough and putting the newer 1 away .

I've got it out today and it's still making a grand job despite being hammered into rocks since 2010!!

Currently ploughing between 1000 and 1200 acres a year depending on season we have 2 ploughs but the second plough is a backup and isn't used much at all

That’s the sort of finish you only get with a KV- properly fully inverted ploughing. Our Kuhn does a good enough job but the boards are too flat and rely on the soil to fall over into place, which in some conditions leaves it stood on its side.

In the right conditions the Kuhn isn’t too bad mind you, it’s easy to set up to a reasonable standard by fiddling with a spool valve for a couple of runs, but you can never get it absolutely perfect because of the way the front furrow width and alignment are on the same ram, not independent of one another.

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daveydiesel1

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Co antrim
That’s the sort of finish you only get with a KV- properly fully inverted ploughing. Our Kuhn does a good enough job but the boards are too flat and rely on the soil to fall over into place, which in some conditions leaves it stood on its side.

In the right conditions the Kuhn isn’t too bad mind you, it’s easy to set up to a reasonable standard by fiddling with a spool valve for a couple of runs, but you can never get it absolutely perfect because of the way the front furrow width and alignment are on the same ram, not independent of one another.

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Not to much wrong way that job. I find the driver is often his own worst critic
 

Two Tone

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Mixed Farmer
If you have a Blackgrass problem, I always worry if you use slats that some of that seed wont be buried deep enough to kill enough of it. If you can bury it at least 2” below daylight, 85% of it will die (each year) before you plough it back up again.

With regard Auto-reset, yes they are marvellous in preventing having to replace shear bolts. However, I have had a few occasions where as they move out of the way of a big stone or rock, that they have pulled them up, requiring a trip home to get a tele-handler to get underneath them to remove them from the field.
Whereas the shear bolt plough seems to leave them well buried. It may be because a shear bolt plough can only move vertically whereas an Auto-reset can also move sideways, which is enough to roll the rock over and upwards.

We know our fields and where to be careful when ploughing. And yes, some definitely need an Auto-reset. But it can be surprising where you can get away with a shear bolt plough.

…….on the other hand, sometimes a shear bolt hasn’t gone for so long that when it does, a trip home is needed to get the tele-handler to push the leg down enough to slide a new shear bolt in the hole!
…….But at least you don’t need to take the tele-handler up to the field to remove so many rocks!!
 

Fraserb

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Scottish Borders
I don’t know of a plough with shear bolts in Scotland as for pulling the semi mounted I don’t see any difference to a mounted 5f. Less turning as it’s a wider plough so less compaction on endrigs

We had a demo plough a couple of years ago, that was shearbolt, first bag of 10 got the middle of a 40 acre field done, and that was one of our easiest fields.
 

KB6930

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Borders
If you have a Blackgrass problem, I always worry if you use slats that some of that seed wont be buried deep enough to kill enough of it. If you can bury it at least 2” below daylight, 85% of it will die (each year) before you plough it back up again.

With regard Auto-reset, yes they are marvellous in preventing having to replace shear bolts. However, I have had a few occasions where as they move out of the way of a big stone or rock, that they have pulled them up, requiring a trip home to get a tele-handler to get underneath them to remove them from the field.
Whereas the shear bolt plough seems to leave them well buried. It may be because a shear bolt plough can only move vertically whereas an Auto-reset can also move sideways, which is enough to roll the rock over and upwards.

We know our fields and where to be careful when ploughing. And yes, some definitely need an Auto-reset. But it can be surprising where you can get away with a shear bolt plough.

…….on the other hand, sometimes a shear bolt hasn’t gone for so long that when it does, a trip home is needed to get the tele-handler to push the leg down enough to slide a new shear bolt in the hole!
…….But at least you don’t need to take the tele-handler up to the field to remove so many rocks!!
I think you'd have a panic attack if you seen what some of us are ploughing in amongst.

I regularly used to gave the digger with me ploughing to deal with the real big ones but that's not so easy now I'm running a tracked machine
 

KB6930

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Borders
That’s the sort of finish you only get with a KV- properly fully inverted ploughing. Our Kuhn does a good enough job but the boards are too flat and rely on the soil to fall over into place, which in some conditions leaves it stood on its side.

In the right conditions the Kuhn isn’t too bad mind you, it’s easy to set up to a reasonable standard by fiddling with a spool valve for a couple of runs, but you can never get it absolutely perfect because of the way the front furrow width and alignment are on the same ram, not independent of one another.

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Not a lot wrong with that I ran a slatted kv from 2002 till 2017 and most slatted ploughs make a job that looks like that
 

KB6930

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Borders
If you have a Blackgrass problem, I always worry if you use slats that some of that seed wont be buried deep enough to kill enough of it. If you can bury it at least 2” below daylight, 85% of it will die (each year) before you plough it back up again.

With regard Auto-reset, yes they are marvellous in preventing having to replace shear bolts. However, I have had a few occasions where as they move out of the way of a big stone or rock, that they have pulled them up, requiring a trip home to get a tele-handler to get underneath them to remove them from the field.
Whereas the shear bolt plough seems to leave them well buried. It may be because a shear bolt plough can only move vertically whereas an Auto-reset can also move sideways, which is enough to roll the rock over and upwards.

We know our fields and where to be careful when ploughing. And yes, some definitely need an Auto-reset. But it can be surprising where you can get away with a shear bolt plough.

…….on the other hand, sometimes a shear bolt hasn’t gone for so long that when it does, a trip home is needed to get the tele-handler to push the leg down enough to slide a new shear bolt in the hole!
…….But at least you don’t need to take the tele-handler up to the field to remove so many rocks!!
Ploughed with a kv slatted plough for a lot of acres and they bury trash probably better than a boarded one to be honest
 

stablegirl

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North
Lemken option if full variwidth isn't crucial.
 

aled1590

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N.wales
Afaik the kongskilde and nh is the same but the overum is slightly different, the maìn difference being the kong/nh has the front furrow adjustment on a parallel linkage but the overum works on a slide which is a weaker point could u mabe verify that if u know just for my own personal knowledge
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overum
 

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