Which loading shovel?

[Daft farmer]

We are looking to replace our Manitou with a loading shovel, we have 2 telehandlers now and so the Manitou spends its life filling the feeder, emptying the midden, dispensing sand into cubicles.

Looking for something 4/5 years old with 3-5000 hours on it, to use with a toe tip.

Roughly the size of a JCB 416, circa 9-10 ton machine.

I just have a few questions, the "s" Jcbs were made for buckraking i assume, they had big tyres, more power and faster hydraulics along with shorter arms, is this right? Is there any advantage to these other than buckraking?

Jcbs seem to get a lot of flack on here, but they also seem to be the most common, we have been to look at a liebherr 514 but thought it a bit small, what other makes and models should we be looking at? They are not good to find second hand, or maybe im looking in the wrong place?

People talk highly of CATS? The Case looks a good machine? Havent really found any small Volvos?

 

[Yale]

@james ds

 

[daveydiesel1]

Case seems good machine hire customer of our had 2 jcbs and they broke his heart co got a case and swears by it plus it was alot cheaper than jcb. Volvo prob king of the castle but youl pay for it. You ever check out ebay thers usually few on it

 

[Speedstar]

We are looking to replace our Manitou with a loading shovel, we have 2 telehandlers now and so the Manitou spends its life filling the feeder, emptying the midden, dispensing sand into cubicles.

Looking for something 4/5 years old with 3-5000 hours on it, to use with a toe tip.

Roughly the size of a JCB 416, circa 9-10 ton machine.

I just have a few questions, the "s" Jcbs were made for buckraking i assume, they had big tyres, more power and faster hydraulics along with shorter arms, is this right? Is there any advantage to these other than buckraking?

Jcbs seem to get a lot of flack on here, but they also seem to be the most common, we have been to look at a liebherr 514 but thought it a bit small, what other makes and models should we be looking at? They are not good to find second hand, or maybe im looking in the wrong place?

People talk highly of CATS? The Case looks a good machine? Havent really found any small Volvos?

we have a JCB 418s shovel & it is very good great power to weight ratio unlike some,

 

[warksfarmer]

We are looking to replace our Manitou with a loading shovel, we have 2 telehandlers now and so the Manitou spends its life filling the feeder, emptying the midden, dispensing sand into cubicles.

Looking for something 4/5 years old with 3-5000 hours on it, to use with a toe tip.

Roughly the size of a JCB 416, circa 9-10 ton machine.

I just have a few questions, the "s" Jcbs were made for buckraking i assume, they had big tyres, more power and faster hydraulics along with shorter arms, is this right? Is there any advantage to these other than buckraking?

Jcbs seem to get a lot of flack on here, but they also seem to be the most common, we have been to look at a liebherr 514 but thought it a bit small, what other makes and models should we be looking at? They are not good to find second hand, or maybe im looking in the wrong place?

People talk highly of CATS? The Case looks a good machine? Havent really found any small Volvos?

Ran a Jcb 434S on a compost site for 3 years and whilst it did the job, it was regularly being repaired by the hire company. Hubs being a regular occurrence.
Volvo is what you need for reliability and residual value.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Drove a nearly new 437 recently and was not impressed at all. There is no way I would have my money in one.

 

[Agriimark]

419 and 435 here and both do as asked. 435 is a pleasure on the pit. I find the comfort great for long days and plenty of power. 419 the same for comfort and always has enough power imo. Toe tip on the 419 and when the buckets full of wheat it is still very stable. We do have 2 loadalls but are getting a toe tip for the 435 as feel it will be better for muck duties. Like speedstar said power to weight ratio is good on them.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Get quote for the smaller Claas?

 

[james ds]

We are looking to replace our Manitou with a loading shovel, we have 2 telehandlers now and so the Manitou spends its life filling the feeder, emptying the midden, dispensing sand into cubicles.

Looking for something 4/5 years old with 3-5000 hours on it, to use with a toe tip.

Roughly the size of a JCB 416, circa 9-10 ton machine.

I just have a few questions, the "s" Jcbs were made for buckraking i assume, they had big tyres, more power and faster hydraulics along with shorter arms, is this right? Is there any advantage to these other than buckraking?

Jcbs seem to get a lot of flack on here, but they also seem to be the most common, we have been to look at a liebherr 514 but thought it a bit small, what other makes and models should we be looking at? They are not good to find second hand, or maybe im looking in the wrong place?

People talk highly of CATS? The Case looks a good machine? Havent really found any small Volvos?

There are two JCB 416 loaders , one is the farm special which has a 6 cylinder 150 hp engine , the other has a 80 hp 4 cylinder , no power for farm work. If you are looking at jcb416s with 5000 hrs , check out the axle repair list , if the axles havnt been split before this they are due to be done , have €8 k ready to rebuild both. I had a JCB 416 s and they are a soft loader , I now have a komastu which is in a differant league for build quality. If I was looking at secondhand loaders in this size , I'd be looking at the Volvo l60. Volvo komastu and Cat are in a differant league to JCB , you never see JCB in a quarry.

 

[Jack Russell]

We have had a jcb 426 for10yrs now, approx 8500hrs. Has had a life of loading muck in fields rarely on hard ground or concrete. Always moved on low loaders, never roaded. It has never had a issue other than re shimming centre pivots. i also run a Volvo L70H which is to replace the jcb. It is in another league. I didn’t get another jcb as I felt the newer machines aren’t as welol built as the older models. The paint on the jcb is shocking And still is on the newer models it seems. It probably depends a little where you are and what back up you have to guide what you get. How many hours a year will you be doing? If you want an older machine I would get one pre ad blue. I know it’s not what you are after but my 426 is probably going to be coming up for sale soon.

 

[deleted user 837354]

We have had a jcb 426 for10yrs now, approx 8500hrs. Has had a life of loading muck in fields rarely on hard ground or concrete. Always moved on low loaders, never roaded. It has never had a issue other than re shimming centre pivots. i also run a Volvo L70H which is to replace the jcb. It is in another league. I didn’t get another jcb as I felt the newer machines aren’t as welol built as the older models. The paint on the jcb is shocking And still is on the newer models it seems. It probably depends a little where you are and what back up you have to guide what you get. How many hours a year will you be doing? If you want an older machine I would get one pre ad blue. I know it’s not what you are after but my 426 is probably going to be coming up for sale soon.

Someone told me the equivalent Volvo would actually be cheaper than a JCB? True or false?

 

[Jack Russell]

They were a lot closer than I imagined.

 

[james ds]

Someone told me the equivalent Volvo would actually be cheaper than a JCB? True or false?

10 years ago Volvo were a lot more expensive than JCB , but recently JCB have put their prices to match Volvo or komastu , their idea is if they charge the same , lads think their as good as the big boys, the reality is JCB use cheap components and cheap steel , compare a 8000 hr JCB to a Volvo and the bushings will be the same as new on the Volvo but will be worn out on the JCB. The comfort of being in either for a long day is huge , you get out of the JCB worn out compared to getting out of the Volvo / komastu feeling fresh. There is a huge differance in build quality , it makes not much differance when all are new but after 8-10,000 hrs the differance is very visible .

 

[deleted user 837354]

10 years ago Volvo were a lot more expensive than JCB , but recently JCB have put their prices to match Volvo or komastu , their idea is if they charge the same , lads think their as good as the big boys, the reality is JCB use cheap components and cheap steel , compare a 8000 hr JCB to a Volvo and the bushings will be the same as new on the Volvo but will be worn out on the JCB. The comfort of being in either for a long day is huge , you get out of the JCB worn out compared to getting out of the Volvo / komastu feeling fresh. There is a huge differance in build quality , it makes not much differance when all are new but after 8-10,000 hrs the differance is very visible .

I'm the sad sort that takes an interest in these kinds of things. As you say though you will not find any JCB gear in a quarry.

 

[Sparkplug]

Volvo & Komatsu are a proper loading shovel in a totally different class to JCB, it just depends on your workload and expectations - depreciation on JCB LS will be substantial - as any serious Industrial user would not consider one new, but for used maybe Doosan worth looking at or Hyundai - will be better put together than JCB latest offerings IMO. JCB will do any Farm Job - its easy work compared to Quarries and other applications which sets the men from the boys

 

[Speedstar]

Volvo & Komatsu are a proper loading shovel in a totally different class to JCB, it just depends on your workload and expectations - depreciation on JCB LS will be substantial - as any serious Industrial user would not consider one new, but for used maybe Doosan worth looking at or Hyundai - will be better put together than JCB latest offerings IMO. JCB will do any Farm Job - its easy work compared to Quarries and other applications which sets the men from the boys

JCB is a farm shovel for farm work and is excellent at that
The rest are to heavy and lack hp ,we demo a few other makes but for pit work and other farm jobs the JCB was the best

 

[d williams]

Volvo & Komatsu are a proper loading shovel in a totally different class to JCB, it just depends on your workload and expectations - depreciation on JCB LS will be substantial - as any serious Industrial user would not consider one new, but for used maybe Doosan worth looking at or Hyundai - will be better put together than JCB latest offerings IMO. JCB will do any Farm Job - its easy work compared to Quarries and other applications which sets the men from the boys

claas maybe a leighbro now and they will be on a par with komatsu and volvo

 

[4755dave]

Ran Volvo's in a previous life. Never buy anything else. Great bits of kit. But then l90e and f where the pinacle

 

[james ds]

claas maybe a leighbro now and they will be on a par with komatsu and volvo

They don't like pit work , one went around the country on demo at silage and didn't sell one.

 

[james ds]

JCB is a farm shovel for farm work and is excellent at that
The rest are to heavy and lack hp ,we demo a few other makes but for pit work and other farm jobs the JCB was the best

They all have differant weight loaders so to say the others are too heavy is rubbish, if they are heavier than JCB it's because they put in the steel where it's needed. As for power I had a 416 s which was 10 ton and 150 hp , it could just about keep grass away from two wagons , now I have the komastu 270 which is 15 t and 200 hp and it has no problem compacting the grass from 3 or 4 wagons . A JCB 435 would match it for output but they are €25,000 more expensive than the komastu. It's a no brainer really