Do you have a link? Google and CT website are failing me
Whitewash at RT.
- Thread starter Qman
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having taken a hot bath to calm down after reading the Red Tractor email i have read the full report
what you say re NFU is correct - it’s not confirmed they lied and that should trigger done every public questioning at conference this week
How can anyone continue to support an organisation that is now proven to lie to its members
Time you lot stop stop dreaming that we don't need farm assurance, a new scheme needs writing up and approving before the ahdb whitewash happens else even a farmer run assurance scheme will need to have its own gfc module. Else save yourself plenty of time to protest and tell your missus if you don't come you've likely been arrested. @delilah is absolutely on the nail that the cartel are coming for us... damage limitation springs to mind. Gatekeeper is an option but will be open wallet surgery, probably 4-6 times the cost of the average rt subscription to avoid a compulsory greening module unless we go down the central storage route.
the report acknowledges the many conflicts of interest that exist on these boards and make recommendations to address them
it certainly clarifies that NFU leadership including the soon to be new president lied directly about what they knew about GFC and their involvement in the decision making that led to it
both the above are pretty serous issues and shouldn’t be glossed over or ignored
also sounds like the second report that goes beyond this basic governance issue is at least 12 months away ……. will RT still be here in 12 months time ?
it certainly clarifies that NFU leadership including the soon to be new president lied directly about what they knew about GFC and their involvement in the decision making that led to it
both the above are pretty serous issues and shouldn’t be glossed over or ignored
also sounds like the second report that goes beyond this basic governance issue is at least 12 months away ……. will RT still be here in 12 months time ?
Yes they will, 100%, if for no other reason than AIC pouring money (donation most likely)in to guarantee its success. Would you gamble a bet, my farm vs yours that RT will still exist in 12 months time? Jim Mosely is probably out of his armpit sweat ridden shirt and thinking that was close, I'll have another celebratory drink. Don't underestimate this Clive, we need to set up an alternative scheme, even if its a second brexit at best.
setting up alternative schemes is not simple and it’s very expensive - no one is going to do it for fun and no one will agree what it should look like - in fact many will ask why do we even need farm level assurance at all when imports do not have it and we have statutory law setting and policing high standards anyway ?
what’s a LOT easier is to leave the nfu or organise mass resignation of red tractor. - social media can do either of those thing if it come to it
Pick your battles. Stop bellyaching about RT and focus on stopping the GFC seeing the light of day.
Stop the GFC and you bring RT down. Times change, and with them priorities. The only game in town today is pass the carbon. The cartel need the GFC, and if RT doesn't deliver the GFC then what use is RT to them ?
Stop the GFC and you bring RT down. Times change, and with them priorities. The only game in town today is pass the carbon. The cartel need the GFC, and if RT doesn't deliver the GFC then what use is RT to them ?
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- Durham, UK
It will be a couple of days of back slapping and kissing dear leaders arse.
Lets see if any of the nfu council has any balls and calls the nfu out........dont hold your breath.
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- Derbys/Bucks.
You're right. However, RT have just got off the first hook.They've now been told to communicate with their stake holders.
Irrespective of any reports and reviews, Christine Tacon was adamant this morning on R4 that GFC is going ahead and clearly she's starting work on it today.
Foxhollow
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The key issue with the report is that what they asked the reviewer to do is compliance with corporate goverance best practice. So all it looked at was whether the board was ahering to its own goverance rules and also how RT goverance was being undertaken against best practice.
You can so easily be an entity that is compling with bets practice goverance but not delivering anything that is required by its "clients" and therefore failing. Corporate Goverance is independant of what policies it is actually delivering which may be totally rubbish.
What maybe lacking is a way of its members being able to have a no confidence vote for policies or board members. In a traditional PLC the shareholders are able to put forward motions at the AGM for voting if sufficient number of shareholders support a motion. Surely that is what is required for RT. Thererfore there would be a way that of the baord is doing things that the majority of it members do not want they have a way of voting against it. Also as RT is near enough a cartel as it is forcing farrmers via grain traders/ supermarkets should it not have a totally independant review baord tp check it is not going beyond its founding objectives. Also every new policy should be checked that it fulfils the reason why RT is in existance and does not go beyong its remit which should be clearly defined.
You can so easily be an entity that is compling with bets practice goverance but not delivering anything that is required by its "clients" and therefore failing. Corporate Goverance is independant of what policies it is actually delivering which may be totally rubbish.
What maybe lacking is a way of its members being able to have a no confidence vote for policies or board members. In a traditional PLC the shareholders are able to put forward motions at the AGM for voting if sufficient number of shareholders support a motion. Surely that is what is required for RT. Thererfore there would be a way that of the baord is doing things that the majority of it members do not want they have a way of voting against it. Also as RT is near enough a cartel as it is forcing farrmers via grain traders/ supermarkets should it not have a totally independant review baord tp check it is not going beyond its founding objectives. Also every new policy should be checked that it fulfils the reason why RT is in existance and does not go beyong its remit which should be clearly defined.
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- East Yorkshire
Tacon said it'll be 2 years before second report on radio this morning. 2 years!
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- North East
Can anyone advise on the Scottish Assurance Scheme might be worth considering.
Hammer
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- South Norfolk
That makes the blood boil. So she says the cost benefit analysis of the GFC (which obviously showed zero benefit to the farmer and a massive cost) was leaked ahead of schedule. And that RT’s roll
out of the GFC was a question of ‘when’ and certainly not ‘if’. But that the second review giving us farmers a chance to voice our opinions could be up to 2 years away.
The only way we are escaping any of this is to leave RT en masse in the meantime…
out of the GFC was a question of ‘when’ and certainly not ‘if’. But that the second review giving us farmers a chance to voice our opinions could be up to 2 years away.
The only way we are escaping any of this is to leave RT en masse in the meantime…
Devil's advocate
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Yes one local to here worked there, said she was a fool.
She was a judge of Farmer of the year on Countryfile. Total chancer was on, the other judges seemed wary of him, especially Adam Henson. Christine Talcon said she understood him exactly & seemed to approve.
Talcon all her life has moved from job to job making a mess of the previous one.
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No definitely not. Its got the same pointless bulls**t box ticking questions. As I've said on here before all we need is the Food Standards Scotland inspection. Simple and easy and once every 5yr if your up to standard.
one of those people who for some reason gets big jobs despite a awful cv and track record
wasn’t she at co-op when they sold like 5yrs of harvest forward at £60/t and said anyone not doing so wasn’t running their business properly ……… it then doubled in price over those years ? or am i confusing her with another of their ex great leaders ?
it’s all about who you know in ag governance/ leadership - the CT report does actually seem to agree / infer that if read carefully !