Who is going to kelso.

[Agrivator]

I see a cross tup made £5800 ,figure that one out.

I would guess it was Beltex X Texel which could easily be used by someone as a stock tup for breeding their own tups for home use (with possibly a few suitable for minor sales).

But the rest of the crosses are bought purely as terminal sires. Most will have been bred from poorer ewes not suitable for pure breeding, but they will often look good due to hybrid vigour, and heavy feeding and expert dressing. And that's what attracts bids, even though they will usually throw lambs with a fair amount of variation (segregation)

 

[sheepwise]

A feature of the sale was the Suffolk resurgence. Anything with a good head and hair, and a tight skin was at least £1000.

I didn't see the Charollais sold. I think it made £320, but the buyer apparently disappeared...................

Aye I heard the decision by the Suffolk breeders to introduce the policy of buy one at Kelso then get two free at home was a great success.

 

[M-J-G]

I would guess it was Beltex X Texel which could easily be used by someone as a stock tup for breeding their own tups for home use (with possibly a few suitable for minor sales).

But the rest of the crosses are bought purely as terminal sires. Most will have been bred from poorer ewes not suitable for pure breeding, but they will often look good due to hybrid vigour, and heavy feeding and expert dressing. And that's what attracts bids, even though they will usually throw lambs with a fair amount of variation (segregation)

It's not always poor ewes that are used to produce crossbred rams, some who have Suffolk, Char and Texel ewes Cross them to a Beltex for an easier first lambing.

Crossbred rams won't always give much in the way of variation in their lambs.

 

[sheepwise]

One of the best runs of beltex x Charollais tups yesterday would be mostly ET bred from the breeders best Charollais ewes and top Beltex tups. They averaged over £1300

 

[Top Tip.]

One of the best runs of beltex x Charollais tups yesterday would be mostly ET bred from the breeders best Charollais ewes and top Beltex tups. They averaged over £1300

Would they be reared by mule ewes?

 

[hally]

One of the best runs of beltex x Charollais tups yesterday would be mostly ET bred from the breeders best Charollais ewes and top Beltex tups. They averaged over £1300

I have to say we used cross tups very successfully for years but the recent demand for beltex has turned us towards that direction. However our lambs whilst worth more in the last few years, this year they are only wanting weight which isn’t doing us any favours whether this Belgian / Dutch route for these small beltex lambs has closed permanently or is it just a brexit blip ……who knows.

 

[sheepwise]

Would they be reared by mule ewes?

Possibly

 

[neilo]

I didn't see the Charollais sold. I think it made £320, but the buyer apparently disappeared...................

That's a pity. If you had seen them then you may have been able to give us your appraisal of the Thackwood one that made 3800gns.

 

[hally]

That's a pity. If you had seen them then you may have been able to give us your appraisal of the Thackwood one that made 3800gns.

When we used to use charollais onour hoggs, johnathon was the go to guy around here.

 

[livestock 1]

I have to say we used cross tups very successfully for years but the recent demand for beltex has turned us towards that direction. However our lambs whilst worth more in the last few years, this year they are only wanting weight which isn’t doing us any favours whether this Belgian / Dutch route for these small beltex lambs has closed permanently or is it just a brexit blip ……who knows.

This is always the difficult one here too. We use a lot of Beltex x Texel tups but to buy them with size and shape can be dear. If we use straight Texel tups we get the size but end up giving way on the shape of the lambs and skin. Interestingly the Suffolk lambs we breed which were worth little money previously, now and over the last few years are worth every bit as much and more than any Texel we can breed which echoes what you are saying. I suppose a good summer like we’ve just had produces decent sized lambs so all are ok but if we’d had one of them cold wet summers the Beltex x lambs would be looking small here. I’m not keen of too many to the Suffolk as the lambs are a bit dosey at lambing time.
Takes some reckoning up at times

 

[Ysgythan]

f**king hell some of you buy the wrong Texels

 

[livestock 1]

f**king hell some of you buy the wrong Texels

A man that’s never made a mistake is a man that’s never done anything!!

 

[Ysgythan]

A man that’s never made a mistake is a man that’s never done anything!!

I don’t mind that, but the same mistake over and over…

 

[livestock 1]

I don’t mind that, but the same mistake over and over…

What we are saying is you can’t predict the market for your lambs when you are buying the tups
Don’t worry you will catch up

 

[Hilly]

I used texels last year and only bred enough pure romenys for my own replacements , five folk on phone looking for pure romneys none want texel x , sold texels fat and pure wedders made a fiver more than texels ffs

 

[livestock 1]

I used texels last year and only bred enough pure romenys for my own replacements , five folk on phone looking for pure romneys none want texel x , sold texels fat and pure wedders made a fiver more than texels ffs

Yes exactly

 

[Hilly]

I thought they would make more than the pures but no, wrong again

 

[Ysgythan]

What we are saying is you can’t predict the market for your lambs when you are buying the tups
Don’t worry you will catch up

What I’m saying is that people who are disappointed in Texel x lambs on shape have bought the wrong Texel tups. I’ve seen it time after time. Standing by the shearling ring, buying something with a big arse (but nowhere near as big as it should be given the rest the tup and it’s condition). Moans about lambs without shape or that mature at too high a weight and instead of changing the type slightly buys a Beltex. They don’t mature at all. Tries a Charolais. They’re born inside out. Tries a Suffolk. Is still waiting for the lambs to get up. Buys a crosser thinking they’ll get the good bits only from the parents. Comes back to the Texel. Buys a fatty panter shearling…

 

[neilo]

f**king hell some of you buy the wrong Texels

There are plenty that are little more than white (or pink in another breed) faced Suffolks these days.

 

[UpAndUnder]

There are plenty that are little more than white (or pink in another breed) faced Suffolks these days.

Some the size of elephants in Welshpool today!!!