Why Devon farmers will soon be extinct.
- Thread starter Great In Grass
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now before this thread gets out of hand
this is Devon farmers we are talking about
That bit of ground between Cornwall and Somerset "'tis sum ruff"
Home to "Dick the Fish"
well yes that is , actually just another part of a whole raft of things that's turning farmers off ....
.. wasting away valuable skill resources ...
gone up the hill
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No they don't!!
gone up the hill
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- Devon
off topic.
KMA
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- Dumfriesshire
Lot of subs going to slipper farmers and landlords rather than active farmers.
If we insist on importing much of our food it leaves us at the mercy of the exchange rate.
There have been periods (i.e. 1930s) where a lot of land was taken out of production and became almost worthless. In some areas of some countries places people just packed their things and walked away leaving the keys in the door.
Really doesn't take much for things to go rather pear-shaped, the powers that be are so detached from the practicalities of food production they simply can't conceive of shortage or price spikes. If you look at the history of human civilisations and cut out all the religion, politics and megalomania, every single one has risen or fallen on the availability of or need to source food.
We can do without teachers, doctors scientists but when it cuts to the chase the only people we cannot do without are those who grow our food. That the western world treats it's food providers with such disregard or even contempt is an indictment on our society.
If we insist on importing much of our food it leaves us at the mercy of the exchange rate.
There have been periods (i.e. 1930s) where a lot of land was taken out of production and became almost worthless. In some areas of some countries places people just packed their things and walked away leaving the keys in the door.
Really doesn't take much for things to go rather pear-shaped, the powers that be are so detached from the practicalities of food production they simply can't conceive of shortage or price spikes. If you look at the history of human civilisations and cut out all the religion, politics and megalomania, every single one has risen or fallen on the availability of or need to source food.
We can do without teachers, doctors scientists but when it cuts to the chase the only people we cannot do without are those who grow our food. That the western world treats it's food providers with such disregard or even contempt is an indictment on our society.
lazy farmer
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- som/dor border
gone up the hill
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- Devon
so the subsidy system has already failed then
No the sub system keeps UK farmers in the industry producing food that the nation needs, without the subs then most farmers will be forced out and we will rely on imports to feed us.
Look at the thread in the dairy section about the payment for small dairy farmers, you lot are falling over your selfs to claim it.. ( and dairy is the most profitable section of the ENTIRE UK AG sector ) you really couldn't make it up!!
gone up the hill
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Your milk price is 2/3 pence a litre higher than it should be for the simply fact the dairy sector has HAD THREE HANDOUTS IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS that no other sector has had!!
lazy farmer
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- som/dor border
shame there isn't a yawn emoj oh hang on
You sure about that? I thought Poultry sector had the highest incomes from Defra figures. Ironic that they get no direct subsidies although it could be argued that they benefit from U.K. grain that is grown with the benefit of support.
KMA
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- Dumfriesshire
Not really, don't like subs, don't get any and no longer farm so I can take a detached view of it all. Perhaps taking my nose off the grindstone has allowed me a wider perspective allbeit through ag coloured glasses. I grow as much of my own food as I can so whatever happens won't affect me much either way.
What I am saying is in the likely event that subs go then there is going to be a lot of upheaval before things are sorted out, just some are so wedded to the status quo they can't seem to conceive of anything else, some can't are trapped, can't afford to keep going and can't afford to sell up. If I was still farming I'd be preparing my business for a no sub future, treating the subs as a bonus to help prepare for that future. As I have the time to chat and still have some involvement in the industry I can talk and more importantly listen to what people running businesses with connections to ag. are saying and frankly the picture is not good. The failure of grain companies and meat companies are symptomatic and the effects of them defaulting on payments for grain and livestock have a domino effect and in turn put pressure on their suppliers and so the infection spreads. Some can absorb the losses, some can't
What I am saying is in the likely event that subs go then there is going to be a lot of upheaval before things are sorted out, just some are so wedded to the status quo they can't seem to conceive of anything else, some can't are trapped, can't afford to keep going and can't afford to sell up. If I was still farming I'd be preparing my business for a no sub future, treating the subs as a bonus to help prepare for that future. As I have the time to chat and still have some involvement in the industry I can talk and more importantly listen to what people running businesses with connections to ag. are saying and frankly the picture is not good. The failure of grain companies and meat companies are symptomatic and the effects of them defaulting on payments for grain and livestock have a domino effect and in turn put pressure on their suppliers and so the infection spreads. Some can absorb the losses, some can't
glasshouse
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- lothians
That's the thing. If we end up relying on most of our food coming from abroad, it wouldn't be cheap for very long.
plenty of potential terrorism and political unrest as well,
people have a. false sense of security.
or maybe i worry too much,... for the next generation.. s
DeeGee
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The only time that the powers that be will value food is when the people are in uproar because there is none.
Until then farmers are just an inconvenience to the pursuit of leisure.
Until then farmers are just an inconvenience to the pursuit of leisure.
gone up the hill
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shame there isn't a yawn emoj oh hang on
You clearly don't like the truth!
Those schemes have taken millions of litres of production out and thus increased the current on farm price for milk.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Again..... no it won't.
That figure is without the greening or redistributive elements.
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- Montgomeryshire
My 'Welsh SFP' will be remaining about the same. Those that have been doing very nicely for the last decade, and debatably stifling new entrants, will see cuts as we all come down to one level. English farmers had the same thing a decade ago, some might suggest that you've had an extra ten years to sit in your gold lined slippers.