Worcester charollais

[BD1]

Any news about how the trade was yesterday?

 

[Yale]

Awful,the rams were really cheap.

Breeders need to cut their prices by half,immediately.

@neilo

 

[neilo]

It was berluddy hot...........the trade less so, or the clearance rate anyway. As usual at the early 'pedigree' sales which take place before many are considering buying crossing rams, some sheep were in demand and sold well, whilst plenty went home unsold. Feed was certainly the order of the day for most, with frightening amounts getting tipped into some troughs the evening before, but that's 'pedigree' sheep for you.

Top was 12000gns, for a full brother to the 25000gn ram from 2 years ago (who himself had sons to 4800). Second top was 7K iirc. Logie Durno again turned out masses of sheep very well indeed, winning most of the show classes and selling pretty well, although not at the top of the trade.

@Yale , you'll be pleased to hear that my top price was up by 600gns, to 2300.....

 

[sheepwise]

Don't think I have ever seen sheep suffer so much with heat in a market before. Our lambs were near the end of the sale and were penned furthest away from the open end of the shed. They were actually standing panting with their tongues out before going to the ring. The roof over the penned area is much lower than most markets and seems to have an excessive number of skylights. Definitely needs to be more fans to prevent similar happening again. Just hope that there are no fertility issues resulting from the heat stress suffered by the tups. Totally agree with neilo regarding clearance rates and shortage of commercial buyers. This was our first time selling at the premier sale for nearly twenty years,so it was a bit of a learning curve again, but we did get 1500gns for our best lamb so pretty pleased really.

 

[Joe]

It was berluddy hot...........the trade less so, or the clearance rate anyway. As usual at the early 'pedigree' sales which take place before many are considering buying crossing rams, some sheep were in demand and sold well, whilst plenty went home unsold. Feed was certainly the order of the day for most, with frightening amounts getting tipped into some troughs the evening before, but that's 'pedigree' sheep for you.

Top was 12000gns, for a full brother to the 25000gn ram from 2 years ago (who himself had sons to 4800). Second top was 7K iirc. Logie Durno again turned out masses of sheep very well indeed, winning most of the show classes and selling pretty well, although not at the top of the trade.

@Yale , you'll be pleased to hear that my top price was up by 600gns, to 2300.....

600gns extra couple ton of meal Neil

 

[neilo]

Don't think I have ever seen sheep suffer so much with heat in a market before. Our lambs were near the end of the sale and were penned furthest away from the open end of the shed. They were actually standing panting with their tongues out before going to the ring. The roof over the penned area is much lower than most markets and seems to have an excessive number of skylights. Definitely needs to be more fans to prevent similar happening again. Just hope that there are no fertility issues resulting from the heat stress suffered by the tups. Totally agree with neilo regarding clearance rates and shortage of commercial buyers. This was our first time selling at the premier sale for nearly twenty years,so it was a bit of a learning curve again, but we did get 1500gns for our best lamb so pretty pleased really.

I went to see what yours made, then got nattering ringside and got distracted. A decent enough price on the day, and being late in the sale. He was a cracking lamb to be fair.

 

[neilo]

600gns extra couple ton of meal Neil

I think you’ll find the very best meal, that which the ‘proper’ lambs are on, is nearer £450/t.

I felt quite mean, having only half a tubby bucket to last 3 lambs for the two days.

 

[sheepwise]

I went to see what yours made, then got nattering ringside and got distracted. A decent enough price on the day, and being late in the sale. He was a cracking lamb to be fair.

Thanks neilo. We were pleased how he looked on the day even although being more naturally done he didn't have the size of many of the lambs there.He did create a bit of interest though which was encouraging for us for future sales. We bought a share of the 5500gns Logie Durno lamb which is a new bloodline for us.Just wish he could bring a bit of the North East of Scotland strong sheep growing land with him.

 

[neilo]

Thanks neilo. We were pleased how he looked on the day even although being more naturally done he didn't have the size of many of the lambs there.He did create a bit of interest though which was encouraging for us for future sales. We bought a share of the 5500gns Logie Durno lamb which is a new bloodline for us.Just wish he could bring a bit of the North East of Scotland strong sheep growing land with him.

Could the lorry not deliver that far?

 

[johnb5555]

Looked some cheap sheep from what I watched on the live feed. Shame i decided to go on a stag do instead

 

[sheep breeder]

Did the sale reflect the way the charollais has become, head colour and size and lack of gigot muscle. Pity the champion didn’t make it to the ring, he could have topped the trade.

 

[sheepwise]

Did the sale reflect the way the charollais has become, head colour and size and lack of gigot muscle. Pity the champion didn’t make it to the ring, he could have topped the trade.

Don't know about head colour but I reckon some of those big lambs would be quite plain if the feed was knocked off them. Some decent carcase sheep there too though and plenty with recording figures as well.

 

[neilo]

Did the sale reflect the way the charollais has become, head colour and size and lack of gigot muscle. Pity the champion didn’t make it to the ring, he could have topped the trade.

I would say there was a fair variation there, in terms of head cover & colour, size and fleshing. The 12k lamb, for example, had a cracking carcass, and the judge had put him 6th iirc, because he was never going to have the size of his prize winners. I'd agree with @sheepwise 's comment, that some of those big lambs would look very different after a few weeks away from the feed trough. That's always been the case though, across all breeds. While breeders receive/perceive a reward for producing sheep like that, they will be produced.

 

[Ysgythan]

While breeders receive/perceive a reward for producing sheep like that, they will be produced.

QED

 

[Ysgythan]

What were the Glyncoch lambs like close up @neilo?

 

[neilo]

QED

What makes the trade at these 'Premier' sales is very different to that which the commercial lamb producer is after, hence plenty of buyers moving away from 'pedigree' sheep and taking the gamble of inconsistency with crossbreds of various shapes and sizes. Nobody seems to have taken heed of what happened to the once mighty Suffolk breed, who followed the same course.

I was talking to one potential buyer who told me he'd been asking each vendor if they had a commercial flock too. He didn't find many.

 

[neilo]

What were the Glyncoch lambs like close up @neilo?

As you'd expect, they looked very impressive from outside the pen. I didn't get any closer than that to be able to say.

 

[Ysgythan]

As you'd expect, they looked very impressive from outside the pen. I didn't get any closer than that to be able to say.

Say no more...

 

[Ysgythan]

I was talking to one potential buyer who told me he'd been asking each vendor if they had a commercial flock too. He didn't find many.

Lambing in November and all that trimming would do the nut of many. It would mine.

 

[neilo]

Lambing in November and all that trimming would do the nut of many. It would mine.

Now you’re just being mischievous. I suspect you know very well that there weren’t any November born sheep in the catalogue.