Would you buy an electric vehicle POLL

[sjt01]

What’s the second hand market like for electric cars ?
And any idea of the life expectancy of these fancy batteries ?
Just curious

At the moment used Teslas are about the same or more than used, but that is a temporary supply blip. Batteries can last 400,000 miles or more, and cost similar to an engine/gearbox change in a similar spec ICE car at that age

 

[Greythundercloudys]

Are they all automatic?

 

[Highland Mule]

Are they all automatic?

Insofar as they don’t have a set of gears, yes. Electric motors have full torque from zero rpm, so no need to make things more complex.

 

[Exfarmer]

Are they all automatic?

I am unaware of one with a conventional clutch and gearbox. .
However many have transmissions and differentials of some sort

 

[kiwi pom]

Logically at home!!!.

Which is my point. Its a work car and she currently has a fuel card and the company pays the RUC's. If she had electric and plugged it in at home, we're paying for the "fuel".

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Which is my point. Its a work car and she currently has a fuel card and the company pays the RUC's. If she had electric and plugged it in at home, we're paying for the "fuel".

Clever eh.

 

[Highland Mule]

Which is my point. Its a work car and she currently has a fuel card and the company pays the RUC's. If she had electric and plugged it in at home, we're paying for the "fuel".

She just needs to put herself on mileage and get the rate for that (4p/mile). Could have you making a profit on the electricity as well, if you’re smart with charging.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Which is my point. Its a work car and she currently has a fuel card and the company pays the RUC's. If she had electric and plugged it in at home, we're paying for the "fuel".

Does she work in an office or on the road? Can quite see businesses putting charge points in on their premises. Green browny points.

 

[kiwi pom]

Does she work in an office or on the road? Can quite see businesses putting charge points in on their premises. Green browny points.

Both, she's an agronomist, so some days she's in the office all day, some days she doesn't go at all.
Not a big drama but it does show how things will have to change. Think about all the cars that park on the street every night.
In our little part of the world fuel companies are still putting in new petrol stations, which seems a bit crazy as we have more than enough now.
Don't see many electric chargers though.

 

[warksfarmer]

That’s a very narrow view to the cost of car ownership.
Running costs should be in the mix as should how well it holds its value, I can bet that if you did the EV would be better value to the buyer than the petrol.
I will agree the upfront cost of an EV is there biggest disadvantage, but if VW and others are to be believed that will end soon.
Retooling factories to make new cars is not cheap, so at the moment we are in that grey area that even when EV’s are cheaper to make than petrol cars retailers will still add extra on to cover transition costs.

On a lease we priced a elec Merc vs diesel. Elec was 30% more expensive to lease due to a much higher purchase price. Factored in the diesel price and the elec charging price (30p/kwh) and the diesel was still cheaper.
No added service costs as it’s built into the lease.

Until elec cars are cheaper than petrol or diesel they won’t take off en mass.

 

[Tomr10]

On a lease we priced a elec Merc vs diesel. Elec was 30% more expensive to lease due to a much higher purchase price. Factored in the diesel price and the elec charging price (30p/kwh) and the diesel was still cheaper.
No added service costs as it’s built into the lease.

Until elec cars are cheaper than petrol or diesel they won’t take off en mass.

Eqc Vs a GLC for me to lease through work eqc list price 16k more than GLC but due to tax savings works out 10k less over a 4 year lease

 

[warksfarmer]

Eqc Vs a GLC for me to lease through work eqc list price 16k more than GLC but due to tax savings works out 10k less over a 4 year lease

That’s CCT though.

 

[Tomr10]

That’s CCT though.

Cct?

 

[warksfarmer]

Cct?

Company car tax. Because it’s elec it’s more efficient via that route. CCT doesn’t affect us though.

 

[Frankzy]

Not a big drama but it does show how things will have to change. Think about all the cars that park on the street every night.

It's not a big deal to place a whole bunch of small overnight chargers along the downtown streets where people don't have parking available.

For example we already have block heater outlets scattered all over town, just have to upgrade that to somewhere around 16 amps and then you have 11 kw. More than enough for any current EV to charge overnight.

 

[Dave645]

On a lease we priced a elec Merc vs diesel. Elec was 30% more expensive to lease due to a much higher purchase price. Factored in the diesel price and the elec charging price (30p/kwh) and the diesel was still cheaper.
No added service costs as it’s built into the lease.

Until elec cars are cheaper than petrol or diesel they won’t take off en mass.

An electric merc is likely the reason the sums don’t work,
And the fact you used 30p/kWh in a very inefficient car, a lot of EV’s can do 5 miles per KWh and most don’t pay 30p more like 16p and if you have solar you can charge from as little as free or 4p if you would have exported it if you didn’t use it.
Anyone can bias the calcs if you take poor examples. Like a very heavy and expensive merc.

most old car companies don’t actually want to sell you an electric car, most are just compliance cars, sure some are better than others but the legacy car companies are deliberately over pricing there EV offering to comply to EU mandates while trying not to effect there regular car sales, this is folly and will push drivers away from there brands.
The reality is a full EV is not that much more expensive to make now than a regular car but the OEM’s will not let that show at the retail end because 90% plus of there production is still making ICE cars.

Car companies not making a big effort they will still fail, EV’s will go main stream, cars like the iD3 from VW are competitive. As are others.

Then we have the people who are working in the car industry and watching what’s happening, like Sandy.

if you want a merc and you do the maths properly using a ratio for charge costs so base so estimate the % of home charging and fast charging when needed, most are very often not charging away from home only on long trips, but that varies from person to person, for me I would say I could do 99% home charging and the odd away from home charge with a full EV that can do 300 miles ish.
My current tariff would mean I pay about 3p/ mile in a model Y.
If you watch some of this guys videos. That can be reduced far more than your 30p/kwh you used

in the end it’s your money you can buy or lease what you want with it.
There is no right or wrong answer when personal preferences come into it, but real world maths should be used.
Only you would know how often you would need to use public charge stations, and how often you could charge at home.

 

[warksfarmer]

An electric merc is likely the reason the sums don’t work,
And the fact you used 30p/kWh in a very inefficient car, a lot of EV’s can do 5 miles per KWh and most don’t pay 30p more like 16p and if you have solar you can charge from as little as free or 4p if you would have exported it if you didn’t use it.
Anyone can bias the calcs if you take poor examples. Like a very heavy and expensive merc.

most old car companies don’t actually want to sell you an electric car, most are just compliance cars, sure some are better than others but the legacy car companies are deliberately over pricing there EV offering to comply to EU mandates while trying not to effect there regular car sales, this is folly and will push drivers away from there brands.
The reality is a full EV is not that much more expensive to make now than a regular car but the OEM’s will not let that show at the retail end because 90% plus of there production is still making ICE cars.

Car companies not making a big effort they will still fail, EV’s will go main stream, cars like the iD3 from VW are competitive. As are others.

Then we have the people who are working in the car industry and watching what’s happening, like Sandy.

if you want a merc and you do the maths properly using a ratio for charge costs so base so estimate the % of home charging and fast charging when needed, most are very often not charging away from home only on long trips, but that varies from person to person, for me I would say I could do 99% home charging and the odd away from home charge with a full EV that can do 300 miles ish.
My current tariff would mean I pay about 3p/ mile in a model Y.
If you watch some of this guys videos. That can be reduced far more than your 30p/kwh you used

in the end it’s your money you can buy or lease what you want with it.
There is no right or wrong answer when personal preferences come into it, but real world maths should be used.
Only you would know how often you would need to use public charge stations, and how often you could charge at home.

So basically we wanted a Merc, because we’ve been Merc for nearly 20 years.

And have you renewed a domestic elec contract recently? They are real world prices.

 

[CPF]

I’ve not read all of this .I was talking to someone yesterday about is new electric car (Audi 55 quattro very Nice car ) said if you are thinking about going electric which is car made me think we may go this way. Apply for your grant now for your charging point at home because it’s ending next year so I’ve just looked it up and they are stopping the grant or lowering it

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Shares in electric truck maker Rivian leap 30% on opening https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59236435

Get ready to hear as much about R J Scarringe as you do Elon Musk.

"Shares in electric vehicle firm Rivian soared when they started trading on Wednesday, boosting the market value of the firm to $100bn (£74bn)."

Rivian had only just started delivering vehicles and is already "worth" more than Ford and General Motors combined!

 

[Dave645]

So basically we wanted a Merc, because we’ve been Merc for nearly 20 years.

And have you renewed a domestic elec contract recently? They are real world prices.

I renewed in April I think at 15 up from 11p
At the moment the farm is out of contract with eon and not paying anywhere close to 30p 15-20 on and off peak last I checked a few weeks ago.
So night charging at 15p is still possible.
Solar which has a payback time that’s reduced by increased consumption, the greater the self consumption especaly at rates close to 30p is also a good way to avoid paying 30p for electric, combine that with a home battery and if you watch EVM’s videos he will explain it better than me, why solar is a no brainier for EV car users.
And avoid high peak time charges.

the merc is hauling a 108kwh battery but only manages 400 ish miles as WLTP estimates are very over generous. It’s will be more like 300 plus maybe 350 down hill. The Merc efficiency is very poor it’s 250watts per mile at best while others can do 200 watts per mile and better. A lot do just over 5 miles per kwh, in real world driving conditions.

And with its standard charging at only 110kwh in the merc which is far slower than the 350kw now starting to be installed in the fastest charge stations.
It makes the model S look cheap, while the model S is a massive car by uk standards and not very car park friendly, and also it’s not a good comparison to your merc. In anything but price, as it beats it in nearly every category

if you like Mercs, then like you I would not buy the EV one at 100k list, I would wait for the second generation or try other brands. By 2025 ish EV cars will be offering a far bigger range of choice.

there is a reason Tesla now has a valuation greater than every other car company in the world combined it’s because technology wise they are innovating so fast the others look to be standing still, that and they have a close loop supply chain where possible including the recycling of battery packs.