Would you buy an electric vehicle POLL

[Highland Mule]

Electric vehicles eould of been handy around this area this week no electiric for the last 5 days in places needs a lot more planning before rural areas are all electric

Having an 80kWh mobile energy store parked outside would have been quite handy, I’d imagine.

 

[br jones]

Having an 80kWh mobile energy store parked outside would have been quite handy, I’d imagine.

not if its was flat ?

 

[warksfarmer]

School run today into a village primary. 120 children and there’s around 80 cars including teachers at drop off and pickup times. There’s 1 electric car.

Secondry school tomorrow with 900 children so I’ll have another nose.

 

[Highland Mule]

not if its was flat ?

Why would it be flat? You’d have been damned unlucky/ stupid to not charge up with a red weather warning.

 

[feilding]

I think the average age of the NZ car fleet is pushing 15 years now as we don't salt the roads or have emissions testing at warrant (MOT) time (although if its piling out black smoke it wont pass) which helps keep stuff running longer. There's plenty of stuff from the 90's still on the road. So it will be a while until we're all electric if nothing changes.
The wife's work vehicle is a diesel, I think she has 2 more years left with it but its replacement is very unlikely to be an electric one.

The New Zealand way is correct about vehicles, look after them and they will look after you, here most people replace vehicles at three years old thinking that's all they last, my vehicles are all over twenty, some age related issues but nothing much. Older vehicles are more reliable than the rubbish that's made now. So if the electric ones are as bad god help us in the future. Will the ev's last 20 yrs, don't think so.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

not if its was flat ?

Or if it was bloody cold, when battery performance goes to cr@p.

 

[Robt]

I don’t get all those that say and indeed get angry that not everyone can charge at home if they don’t have a drive or a garage. Those same people don’t fill with petrol at home either? So they can just use a normal charging station the same as they do to fill with fuel… que everyone shouting, “not enough charge points you idiot!” Yes I agree, today there isn’t but give it 5 years and there will be

 

[Dave645]

The New Zealand way is correct about vehicles, look after them and they will look after you, here most people replace vehicles at three years old thinking that's all they last, my vehicles are all over twenty, some age related issues but nothing much. Older vehicles are more reliable than the rubbish that's made now. So if the electric ones are as bad god help us in the future. Will the ev's last 20 yrs, don't think so.

Will EV’s last 20 years, I don’t doubt that some will not but a lot are designed for above 200k some over 500k miles a few have even longer than that, that includes the drive chain and batteries, designed life and actual life can differ but a few have already hit more.
https://electrek.co/2018/07/17/tesla-model-s-holds-up-400000-miles-3-years/

note it has had replacement parts due to faults but all under warranty. So will some hold up for 20 years I am sure they will, not many people would do over 300k miles in 20 years. Average for most in the uk is 9k per year so 180k in 20 years well within the limits of these cars.

 

[Lincsman]

I don’t get all those that say and indeed get angry that not everyone can charge at home if they don’t have a drive or a garage. Those same people don’t fill with petrol at home either? So they can just use a normal charging station the same as they do to fill with fuel… que everyone shouting, “not enough charge points you idiot!” Yes I agree, today there isn’t but give it 5 years and there will be

Its more of an issue as to whether enough electricity can be generated at all times, remember in Sept when electric cars were running on Coal electricity?

 

[Dave645]

Its more of an issue as to whether enough electricity can be generated at all times, remember in Sept when electric cars were running on Coal electricity?

While technically correct at best in was still only a % of the total grid even when they were running coal fired plants,
A lot of this electric worry is because in the past the grid had zero grid storage so the net result was power plants sat idle to be able to cover peak loads and others running to cover the main loads, this will end renewables can generate a lot I mean double triple what we actually need easily in fact any amount we need and with the advent of electric transport and grid level storage of all types including non battery and long term storages systems like the iron air which rely of slow chemical storage to deliver super cheap grid level storage for long slow releases of energy.

add to that the connected grids that are planed by linking countries grids together in to bigger networks to again even out supply and demand, throw in new nuclear plants to cover base loads and its all more than possible it not even possible it’s cheaper long term than oil, coal, and gas, and, even nuclear.
The sun alone delivers more energy than we could ever consume in a year in an hour and a half.
https://miningawareness.wordpress.c...enough-sun-to-fuel-worlds-energy-consumption/

it’s not about if we can get as much as we need it’s about storage and networking the grids to help balance production with loads, and consumption.

never mind wind energy, wave energy etc.
In reality wind and wave energy are forms of energy storage, Earth already stores the energy it gets from the sun and the moons orbit, to create weather which in turn creates wind and wave energy.

we have all the energy around us we could ever need all we need to do is capture it in as cheap away as possible.
I personally think wave energy which in the open sea is almost infinite and constant especially when you include tidal waves and if we can get the designs right a far better solution for base loads than building lots of very expensive new nuclear power plants. . .
Billions of litres of water a day move in and out of tidal rivers around the UK alone never mind open water waves.

 

[glasshouse]

While technically correct at best in was still only a % of the total grid even when they were running coal fired plants,
A lot of this electric worry is because in the past the grid had zero grid storage so the net result was power plants sat idle to be able to cover peak loads and others running to cover the main loads, this will end renewables can generate a lot I mean double triple what we actually need easily in fact any amount we need and with the advent of electric transport and grid level storage of all types including non battery and long term storages systems like the iron air which rely of slow chemical storage to deliver super cheap grid level storage for long slow releases of energy.

add to that the connected grids that are planed by linking countries grids together in to bigger networks to again even out supply and demand, throw in new nuclear plants to cover base loads and its all more than possible it not even possible it’s cheaper long term than oil, coal, and gas, and, even nuclear.
The sun alone delivers more energy than we could ever consume in a year in an hour and a half.
https://miningawareness.wordpress.c...enough-sun-to-fuel-worlds-energy-consumption/

it’s not about if we can get as much as we need it’s about storage and networking the grids to help balance production with loads, and consumption.

never mind wind energy, wave energy etc.
In reality wind and wave energy are forms of energy storage, Earth already stores the energy it gets from the sun and the moons orbit, to create weather which in turn creates wind and wave energy.

we have all the energy around us we could ever need all we need to do is capture it in as cheap away as possible.
I personally think wave energy which in the open sea is almost infinite and constant especially when you include tidal waves and if we can get the designs right a far better solution for base loads than building lots of very expensive new nuclear power plants. . .
Billions of litres of water a day move in and out of tidal rivers around the UK alone never mind open water waves.

If wave power was possible it would be happening.
What would storm arwen have done to a wave power machine?
Hydro power is the only reliable cheap energy when linked to wind power.
No more Nuclear thanks

 

[Dave645]

If wave power was possible it would be happening.
What would storm arwen have done to a wave power machine?
Hydro power is the only reliable cheap energy when linked to wind power.
No more Nuclear thanks

As far as I remember the stumbling block for wave power was the massive cost to set them up just like nuclear. It’s not just a few floats sat on water the schemes were massive engineering projects.
the reality is long term and with the proper planning, we have no need to burn stuff to get all the energy we could ever need, that includes wood.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

A bit "left field" for this thread but I get angry that virtually all the current policy and debate around cutting transport emissions is about changing vehicle types or travel modes.

The first action should be to cut the NEED to travel. That risks "hurting the economy" though.

Read the government "Transport decarbonisation plan" and there scant little in there about cutting travel.

Why should anyone NEED to do 20k miles a year, let alone 50k, unless a long distance haulier?

In rural areas the collapse of services has contributed to this. I can remember all 3 local villages here having shops. Now none do.

Sort that issue out and "range anxiety" is much less of an issue.

 

[Ncap]

A bit "left field" for this thread but I get angry that virtually all the current policy and debate around cutting transport emissions is about changing vehicle types or travel modes.

The first action should be to cut the NEED to travel. That risks "hurting the economy" though.

Read the government "Transport decarbonisation plan" and there scant little in there about cutting travel.

Why should anyone NEED to do 20k miles a year, let alone 50k, unless a long distance haulier?

In rural areas the collapse of services has contributed to this. I can remember all 3 local villages here having shops. Now none do.

Sort that issue out and "range anxiety" is much less of an issue.

I see your point and I don't necessarily disagree with it, but travel DOES broaden the mind - even within this increasingly and depressingly inward-looking country. Seeing how things are done differently, said differently, built differently is good. I've always felt the main reason our building stock in Britain is so crap is because the lumpen proletariat simply don't see that standards are generally better in most of the rest of Europe. "wet rooms" aren't a thing, for example - they are simply called "bathrooms". And they don't leak.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I see your point and I don't necessarily disagree with it, but travel DOES broaden the mind - even within this increasingly and depressingly inward-looking country. Seeing how things are done differently, said differently, built differently is good. I've always felt the main reason our building stock in Britain is so crap is because the lumpen proletariat simply don't see that standards are generally better in most of the rest of Europe. "wet rooms" aren't a thing, for example - they are simply called "bathrooms". And they don't leak.

Targeted travel can indeed be good, I've done my share.

Too much UK travel is wasteful and/ or pointless though.

In 2015 I worked for a civil engineering survey consultancy based in Cheshunt (North London). Much of our work was for Thames Water. We won a contract undertaking sewage flooding surveys in Swindon despite several of our competitors being much closer. Our staff travelled to Swindon, a 3 hour trip each way, 6 days a week for 6 weeks. Staff from our competitors based near Swindon were travelling, at the same time, in the other direction to do jobs in North London.

Economically it made sense. Environmentally it was utter stupidity.

And, to cap it all, we all had corporate environmental policies and ISO certification, including the client!

 

[br jones]

Why would it be flat? You’d have been damned unlucky/ stupid to not charge up with a red weather warning.

Maybe you drove homeand got home with say 20% left in battery ,thinking charge the car tonight on cheap late night leccy ,and your power goes if at 7pm (it did here) ,no charge in the car for 2 to 3:days how would that last ,like all things you can't rely on anything controlled by others ,people need to look after themselves

 

[Highland Mule]

Maybe you drove homeand got home with say 20% left in battery ,thinking charge the car tonight on cheap late night leccy ,and your power goes if at 7pm (it did here) ,no charge in the car for 2 to 3:days how would that last ,like all things you can't rely on anything controlled by others ,people need to look after themselves

I get your point, but 20% would get you back to the nearest town or house with power, wouldn't it? I'm not saying the idea is perfect, but it has more/ different options from an ICE vehicle.

 

[warksfarmer]

School run today into a village primary. 120 children and there’s around 80 cars including teachers at drop off and pickup times. There’s 1 electric car.

Secondry school tomorrow with 900 children so I’ll have another nose.

Secondary school run today. 900 + pupils and I was there only for 10 mins but I didn’t see one elec car. Not professing to know every single elec car on the market but I was looking and saw nothing.

 

[Highland Mule]

Secondary school run today. 900 + pupils and I was there only for 10 mins but I didn’t see one elec car. Not professing to know every single elec car on the market but I was looking and saw nothing.

No surprise. Eco types will surely get the kids to walk to school and those going EV for financial reasons may be Ltd Co directors and perhaps using the cars for work.

I am seeing more and more EVs passing through the farm on the main roads - certainly no longer a novelty and must be getting into the >1%, <10% range.

 

[warksfarmer]

No surprise. Eco types will surely get the kids to walk to school and those going EV for financial reasons may be Ltd Co directors and perhaps using the cars for work.

I am seeing more and more EVs passing through the farm on the main roads - certainly no longer a novelty and must be getting into the >1%, <10% range.

I’m not so sure. Can’t see it being 10%.

In the states they’ve got 1.3 mill elec vehicles vs 283 million normal vehicles.

There’s places in the uk that have now been without elec for 6 days due to storm arwen. What happens if those people have a serious emergency but can’t charge their elec cars?