Would you buy an electric vehicle POLL

[kiwi pom]

I think the major crunch @kiwi pom is just when it's all "½ arsed", when nobody has EVs the infrastructure is OK and when everyone does then it'll be OK too, getting up over the crest of the wave is the tricky bit

if you imagine NZ with 3-4 million EV batteries able to be connected up to the grid then there might be 1 million all hooked in at once, that's a bloody big battery to help smooth things out that simply doesn't exist yet

by the time we get there, who knows how many would have wind generators and solar and have battery banks - and better energy use habits?

We have options now because energy is cheap

Yes once we move away from oil, coal and gas and all the infrastructure is there it will be fine but its a massive job with many steps. Electric cars are just one part of the changes needed. Governments are good at coming out and saying they're going ban ICE vehicles but not so good at building the infrastructure to make it work.
Around here fuel companies are still putting petrol stations in, so they must think they'll be ok for a bit.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I think they like to chuck a deadline "ban" in, in lieu of making a commitment... in the hopes than nobody remembers what date it was that they said, and catch both proactive and reactive people up in it?

Either way I'd probably get one next time but I will get some home-grown electricity running before then, we travel SFA as it is

And I'd definitely get another electric farm bike, what a great bit of kit it is after a few months.

My old CTX feels like a lame, overweight, one-legged pony now

 

[Clive]

This is interesting sent me by a friend !

EV's actually pre-date ICE. - here is a map of charging stations in 1917 apparently, like an early version of Zap Map !!

before the internal combustion engine took off, most vehicles were EV's

Potted history here (from the web)

Early 1900s​

Interest in electric vehicles increased greatly in the late 1890s and early 1900s. In 1897, Walter Bersey designed and introduced a fleet of battery-powered taxis to London’s streets, while New York City had a fleet of around 60 electric taxis. By 1900, electric cars accounted for a third of all vehicles on the road in the US.

1901​

Thanks to the high demand for electric cars, innovators including Thomas Edison began to explore ways to improve the technology. Edison, for example, worked to build a better battery for electric vehicles. In the same year, Ferdinand Porsche, founder of the famous sports car, created the world’s first hybrid electric car – powered by electricity stored in a battery and a gas engine.

1914​

Henry Ford partnered with Thomas Edison to explore options for a low-cost electric car. However, Ford’s popular Model T car soon dealt a blow to electric vehicles, as gasoline-powered cars became more widely available and affordable.

1920 – 1935​

Improved road infrastructure and cheap, widely available gasoline contributed to a decline in electric vehicles. Electric cars were limited to use in cities due to their slow speed and low range, and by 1935 they had all but disappeared.

 

[Goodolddays]

This is interesting sent me by a friend !

EV's actually pre-date ICE. - here is a map of charging stations in 1917 apparently, like an early version of Zap Map !!

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before the internal combustion engine took off, most vehicles were EV's

Potted history here (from the web)

Early 1900s​

Interest in electric vehicles increased greatly in the late 1890s and early 1900s. In 1897, Walter Bersey designed and introduced a fleet of battery-powered taxis to London’s streets, while New York City had a fleet of around 60 electric taxis. By 1900, electric cars accounted for a third of all vehicles on the road in the US.

1901​

Thanks to the high demand for electric cars, innovators including Thomas Edison began to explore ways to improve the technology. Edison, for example, worked to build a better battery for electric vehicles. In the same year, Ferdinand Porsche, founder of the famous sports car, created the world’s first hybrid electric car – powered by electricity stored in a battery and a gas engine.

1914​

Henry Ford partnered with Thomas Edison to explore options for a low-cost electric car. However, Ford’s popular Model T car soon dealt a blow to electric vehicles, as gasoline-powered cars became more widely available and affordable.

1920 – 1935​

Improved road infrastructure and cheap, widely available gasoline contributed to a decline in electric vehicles. Electric cars were limited to use in cities due to their slow speed and low range, and by 1935 they had all but disappeared.

Yep, they were not good enough back then either.

 

[Clive]

Yep, they were not good enough back then either.

neither was the ICE refuelling network in the beginning either I guess

 

[Y Fan Wen]

neither was the ICE refuelling network in the beginning either I guess

You called in at the chemist in order to get your motor spirit in 2 gallon cans.

 

[Dave645]

Yes once we move away from oil, coal and gas and all the infrastructure is there it will be fine but its a massive job with many steps. Electric cars are just one part of the changes needed. Governments are good at coming out and saying they're going ban ICE vehicles but not so good at building the infrastructure to make it work.
Around here fuel companies are still putting petrol stations in, so they must think they'll be ok for a bit.

The ban is on new cars being sold, the result will be at some point people who need to, or still want to, run an ice car will still do but by keeping the car they have running as long as they want it, let’s face it millions of cars will still be ice well after the ban comes in. Cars now can easily do 10 years with little trouble if looked after by an average driver that is still only 90-120k miles in 10 years.
The year the ban starts will be the start of a long transition I would guess the big shifts will happen 3-10 years after the ban starts. As car owners go to buy a replacement to their last new ice car.

 

[DaveGrohl]

I think they like to chuck a deadline "ban" in, in lieu of making a commitment... in the hopes than nobody remembers what date it was that they said, and catch both proactive and reactive people up in it?

Either way I'd probably get one next time but I will get some home-grown electricity running before then, we travel SFA as it is

And I'd definitely get another electric farm bike, what a great bit of kit it is after a few months.

My old CTX feels like a lame, overweight, one-legged pony now

Is that a 2 wheeler or a quad Pete?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Is that a 2 wheeler or a quad Pete?

2x2

carries 7 harpoons

 

[DaveGrohl]

2x2 View attachment 1000753
carries 7 harpoons

You off fishing?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

You off fishing?

On way back from chasing the neighbour's bloody lambs back in I use those poles for gates, just hoist the fence

wee bike is really good though, so far it's probably cost us $8 in electricity whereas it would have been $150 in petrol for the old dinosaur to do the same mileage

I actually do a lot of riding around just for the feck of it now, just because I can and because "waste of fuel" went out the window

We'll probably get another one in a year or two just so it's easier to take visitors around the place

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

On way back from chasing the neighbour's bloody lambs back in I use those poles for gates, just hoist the fence

wee bike is really good though, so far it's probably cost us $8 in electricity whereas it would have been $150 in petrol for the old dinosaur to do the same mileage

I actually do a lot of riding around just for the feck of it now, just because I can and because "waste of fuel" went out the window

We'll probably get another one in a year or two just so it's easier to take visitors around the place

Leeside answer to a big Fendt

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Leeside answer to a big Fendt

Pretty much! Quad hasn't moved in 5½ months.

 

[Dave645]

Small engine pollution, ie lawn mowers, chains saws, etc, is massive, they all should go electric as well.
Just like that motor bike.

the small engines tend to run far far poorer than car engines, so have a disproportionately big pollution effect.

 

[chickens and wheat]

I think California is banning all such small engines in favour of battery versions.

 

[Tomr10]

Small engine pollution, ie lawn mowers, chains saws, etc, is massive, they all should go electric as well.
Just like that motor bike.

the small engines tend to run far far poorer than car engines, so have a disproportionately big pollution effect.

 

[D14]

It traded a 18mth old LR for an EV. I dont pay deposits. So all that matters is monthly cost age of car is largely irrelevant
Ev had 0% finance. , So basically i traded saved myself a lot of interest by escaping the original loan.

What LR did you trade and what EV have you now got?

 

[roscoe erf]

 

[kiwi pom]

The ban is on new cars being sold, the result will be at some point people who need to, or still want to, run an ice car will still do but by keeping the car they have running as long as they want it, let’s face it millions of cars will still be ice well after the ban comes in. Cars now can easily do 10 years with little trouble if looked after by an average driver that is still only 90-120k miles in 10 years.
The year the ban starts will be the start of a long transition I would guess the big shifts will happen 3-10 years after the ban starts. As car owners go to buy a replacement to their last new ice car.

I think the average age of the NZ car fleet is pushing 15 years now as we don't salt the roads or have emissions testing at warrant (MOT) time (although if its piling out black smoke it wont pass) which helps keep stuff running longer. There's plenty of stuff from the 90's still on the road. So it will be a while until we're all electric if nothing changes.
The wife's work vehicle is a diesel, I think she has 2 more years left with it but its replacement is very unlikely to be an electric one.

 

[Gedd]

Electric vehicles eould of been handy around this area this week no electiric for the last 5 days in places needs a lot more planning before rural areas are all electric