Wrong sex on passport

[Av Gorritt]

We've just had the same problem - wrong sex on doc. Rang them , got a reference no. but they said "scan both sides of the passport and e mail the scans to us , and then return the p.p." I tried to send the scans to the e mail address at the bottom of the p.p. If your p.p is at all "Old" then beware - the e mail address has been changed , and if you put the old one in , of course it won't go .

 

[Anymulewilldo]

I understood that farms other than the holding of birth couldn't change the passport details without a letter from the original breeder?
Guess that must be wrong?

Must admit I don't bid on anything given out as needing a passport change. I've enough to deal with without buying extra paperwork!

 

[Agrivator]

How many passports have had to be returned just to make an alteration to the sex?

I wonder what the Carbon Footprint has been, and will continue to be, until someone with a bit of common sense realises that it is an irrelevance and that anyone of us can save all the bother and expense and simply make a handwritten correction.

After all, we are trusted to provide all the other information, so why can't we be trusted to make a simple alteration ourselves?

 

[Anymulewilldo]

How many passports have had to be returned just to make an alteration to the sex?

I wonder what the Carbon Footprint has been, and will continue to be, until someone with a bit of common sense realises that it is an irrelevance and that anyone of us can save all the bother and expense and simply make a handwritten correction.

After all, we are trusted to provide all the other information, so why can't we be trusted to make a simple alteration ourselves?

Because there are unscrupulous individuals out there who can't be trusted to lie in bed straight. Never mind keep 1 passport to a particular animal. They'd be swapping tags like buggery (more so than they already do) because it would stay below the radar. If you tried it regularly I'm sure you would get an inspection pretty soon.

ON the other side of the coin. We work with animals every single day. Why can't we get the sex of a calf right? It's not hard too put your hand between it's legs and check as you tag them!!

 

[Cowabunga]

Just make it clear what sex the animal is and that it is wrong on the passport when you sell it. It makes no difference what sex it is to the passport people. What matters is that its dam is correctly listed and that it actually has a passport and two legal tags and that the sex is correct on the sales documents

 

[Cowabunga]

How many passports have had to be returned just to make an alteration to the sex?

I suspect, lots. But not at this late stage where it really makes no difference to anything as long as the buyer knows the actual sex he's buying.

 

[livestock 1]

I think I’ve read on bcms site that wrong sex on passports is the most common mistake made

 

[Cowabunga]

I think I’ve read on bcms site that wrong sex on passports is the most common mistake made

Undoubtedly, along with forgetting to register a beast altogether. Over the years I've done the very rare wrong sex bit and the wrong dam. When you have lots of calvings daily it is often a heck of a job to keep up with everything. Tagging the calves and recording their details within 24 hours of birth is essential to minimise mistakes.

 

[Raider112]

Because there are unscrupulous individuals out there who can't be trusted to lie in bed straight. Never mind keep 1 passport to a particular animal. They'd be swapping tags like buggery (more so than they already do) because it would stay below the radar. If you tried it regularly I'm sure you would get an inspection pretty soon.

ON the other side of the coin. We work with animals every single day. Why can't we get the sex of a calf right? It's not hard too put your hand between it's legs and check as you tag them!!

I think a lot of it might just be entering the wrong sex by mistake, especially if you're doing a few, easy to press M instead of F by mistake. It's like filling the on date on passports on a batch you buy, before you know you have mixed the month and date up by almost being on autopilot.

 

[Werzle]

Bought a group in the spring and one was the wrong sex on the pp so just crossed it out put the correct sex next to it and sent it back to bcms with a note saying returned for wrong sex on pp. New pp came back 10-14 days later. No hassle or phone calls, emails etc

 

[Raider112]

Bought a group in the spring and one was the wrong sex on the pp so just crossed it out put the correct sex next to it and sent it back to bcms with a note saying returned for wrong sex on pp. New pp came back 10-14 days later. No hassle or phone calls, emails etc

Done that before but we had one during lockdown and they wanted it done differently, maybe some of the staff were working from home, did something online but I don't remember what, I never did it.

 

[Raider112]

I think a lot of it might just be entering the wrong sex by mistake, especially if you're doing a few, easy to press M instead of F by mistake. It's like filling the on date on passports on a batch you buy, before you know you have mixed the month and date up by almost being on autopilot.

To add to that, maybe that also happens at Workington, they do a lot more and concentration must waver if it isn't done fully automatically.

 

[traineefarmer]

I suspect, lots. But not at this late stage where it really makes no difference to anything as long as the buyer knows the actual sex he's buying.

It makes a big difference if the buyer is certain abattoirs.

 

[traineefarmer]

I understood that farms other than the holding of birth couldn't change the passport details without a letter from the original breeder?
Guess that must be wrong?

Must admit I don't bid on anything given out as needing a passport change. I've enough to deal with without buying extra paperwork!

I think this is the case for errors more serious than the wrong sex. We had to have the breed altered and I believe the BCMS trace the breeder to confirm the error.

Takes bloody ages!