SilliamWhale
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I know of one that's not done much work on an elderly neighbours farm......hoping to pick it up...if and when he retires.
@Mickeymatbro isn't that old!
I know of one that's not done much work on an elderly neighbours farm......hoping to pick it up...if and when he retires.
His secondhand gear will be way out of my price range......@Mickeymatbro isn't that old!
some makes seemed to have dropped drum and just make disc these daysFor all those posting 'monkey metal' comments - where do you think Claas, Vicon etc. have their mowers made? Do you think they're on the production line between Claas Jaguar 870s and Vicon 803 forage wagons?
Are VW Passats made of monkey metal, too?
Yes, cheap drum mowers are built to a price but also to a design - be it a KM22 or a PZ. They are cheap because they are simple and the design licences are very cheap, due to age. That means there is no need for any major development, further reducing cost.
Yes, you do see broken ones on sales. Does that mean they are bad? Or does it mean that they are so affordable you might as well buy another when something breaks? You see a damn sight more PZs at collective sales, perhaps 50 PZs for every 1 Samasz or whatever - the difference is, people buy the PZs and rebuild them to sell to smallholders or 'horsey folk'. They could equally buy the Czech or Polish machines and put a bevel gear in (or whatever) for £70 + VAT but they don't because to them, a 'proper' drum mower is red with a cream skirt, not green with a yellow one. It's the Land Rover argument all over again - why are there so many old Defenders still going? Is it because they are so good? Or that each and every time they inevitably break down, people constantly repair them and keep them going, rather than bin them when they start to get iffy as people do with Japanese 4x4s.
There are tens of thousands or Samasz, Talex and Mesko-Rol mowers in use around the worLd, with a great many years and acres under their belt.
The problem with TFF armchair experts and know-it-alls on here can be summarised thus: They hang around at junk sales, so all they see is junk.
Yes a lot of good machinery has been totally ruined by hanging it on the back of tractor way too large for it. ( I have just seen a small hedgecutter which would look perfect on the back of a 4000 working on a huge tractor with three times the HP of a 4000. It looked ridiculous). Way back in 1975 I remember going on a one day training course about using The Howard Bigbaler, when talking about power requirement the guy lecturing us said "I don't recommend you hang it behind a Massey 135 but on the other hand don't put a Muir-Hill on it!" .The first fahr we had went on the back of a 2wd 4000, lasted for years. Everything small since fell to sh!t on the back of 90 to 110 HP 4wd
That's a very good point.Yes a lot of machinery has been ruined by hanging it on the back of tractor way too large for it. (I have just seen a small hedgecutter which would look perfect on the back of a 4000 working on a huge tractor with three times the HP of a 4000. It looked ridiculous). Way back in 1975 I remember going on a one day training course about using The Howard Bigbaler, when talking about power requirement the guy lecturing us said "I don't recommend you hang it behind a Massey 135 but on the other hand DON'T PUT A MUIR-HILL ON IT" .
we knowI have quite literally no idea what I'm talking about...
Oh....didn't take long to get the measure of me.we know
you know you little twisterwhat have i started
I was thinking this- I run one of my two Samasz mowers behind a 90 when the original Fahr would have been on a 45. I have 2 because the 6ft was a bit slow, so after 7 years doing 200acres, it wasn't worth trading in although it has been fine, and I just bought a bigger one from our local family dealer. that is fine as well after 3 years use. Now Mrs Fred can do a bit to help out with the 6ft one on the IH574 if she wants some bales done for her pony!That's a very good point.
The PZs did years behinf the 135 and the 265... but would they have last as long behind a 4wd NH TS110? Of course not.
Good observation
People probably get carried away and go faster...just because they can.But surely if you keep forward speed down excessive horsepower looks rather awkward, but shouldn't do any harm?
If the mower takes 45hp to drive it, that wont change with size of tractor, will it?
I think it is because you are sitting up high in a bigger modern tractor which is boss of the job, whereas on the little old 45 you were down with the job and had a better idea of what was going on. And you don't realise that you are going a bit faster, being remote from the work.Totally agree ........
And in a thick overhanging crop, you can't see bugger all......so down to 3 foot, to be sure.....Yes and if the auto steer is in the other tractor, you have to overlap a bit especially around the gate where the neighbours can see ........
So your down to 4 foot something ...........