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arbel said:
Perhaps, I should firstly give you my reasons for having voted Out.

  1. The EU is aiming for a Federal State with powers and control that will eventually over-rule those of the UK government. I object to having an organisation with a large number of unelected, highly paid officials dictating what we should do in Great Britain.
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This first reason is the nub of my objection to Britain having joined in the first place. Absolutely nothing has changed since the founding Treaty in regard to these aims. No other reason (although I too could provide a list) is necessary.

I simply cannot understand those people wishing to remain under such conditions - agreed and signed to by our own successive elected parliamentarians, and no possibility of evading the consequences.

If any of them ever gave a reasoned opinion as to why they want to be subject to such conditions for the rest of their lives and those of their offspring, then perhaps I might be able to understand their point of view. I have never heard anyone on the Remain side say why they think it is a great idea to have a single State of Europe.

You could be more specific to any difference between Westminster and Brussels/Strasbourg though when you refer to"unelected highly paid officials". The cabinet government system operates in both theUK and the EU. Do you object to the necessary civil servants (although perhaps not quite as many are necessary - I would have to have time within a dept to determine that), or the Cabinet (appointed by the PM or the 28 Member States as the case may be). Surely you do not advocate that we should also have elections to appoint the Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary, EU commisioners?
 
its yourself

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Below is the latest comment from Scotland.

Endorsed by a senior Scottish Tory commentator as accurate and understated.

You leavers won't like it.

Michael Gray: Don't expect a black-or-white decision on indyref2 following Brexit
JUNE 14TH, 2016 - 12:30 AM MICHAEL GRAY
7 COMMENTS
IN a coin-toss you get ready for either scenario. As the countdown – now just nine days – spins down towards the European Union referendum, we have to ask if that’s the case for Scotland in the case of Brexit.

Do I believe it will happen? Well, polls say it’s too close to call. What we know is the Leave camp is riding a wave of English/British patriotism, anti-establishment discontent, and misdirected frustrations over immigration. They can win.

Even if the campaign hasn’t lit the heather alight in Scotland, we should care. A Leave vote would have widespread implications that have hardly been discussed.

Talk of a second referendum on independence has spun like a broken record, and skipped a number of important steps. Instead of a rush to a re-run post-Brexit, there would be chaos at Westminster and an immediate need to assert Scottish influence on the disaffiliation process.

The UK Government would invoke the Lisbon Treaty’s Article 50. Legislation would then be passed at Westminster to begin the withdrawal process. David Cameron would surely resign. Negotiations begin. According to the treaty, the UK would formally exit the EU in two years’ time – 2018.

Meanwhile, Scotland – having voted to Remain – would face a complex political and legal juncture. How can the government reflect the will of the people when its legal position (in the Scotland Acts and EU law) is inferior to that of the UK state? Some will argue for an immediate independence referendum, but without confidence of victory that will not happen straight away.

I don’t expect a black or white decision on indyref2 following a Brexit. Nicola Sturgeon has said it will only take place “if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people”. That will not be the case on June 24. However, it could be by the time of a full UK-EU exit in 2018.

Throughout that two-year process, the independence movement can point to the democratic absurdity that Scotland can be removed against the will of the people. Interestingly, whisky giant Diageo and The Herald newspaper have said they will reconsider their position on independence in this scenario.

A gradual build-up to a second independence referendum suits the SNP. It strengthens their position without taking an immediate risk of putting their cause to an uncertain electorate.

There are also other ways to challenge the legitimacy of a vote for Brexit.

The Scottish Parliament could refuse legislative consent to Westminster dictating the negotiations. Similar to legal squabbles in Catalonia, this would heighten constitutional divisions where there is a clear popular mandate. Would the UK Government then “discipline” the devolved parliament with all the resulting authoritarian overtones?

Brexit would not just be a British phenomenon. It has consequences for the entire continent. Other populist movements will seek their own plebiscites – invoking fear at the heart of the EU project. In Paris, Berlin, Strasbourg and Brussels leaders will seek stability.

An immediate task for all Scottish politicians in the event of a Brexit is to take advantage of this with a diplomatic case for special treatment from EU institutions. Nicola Sturgeon should be on the phone to European capitals making it very clear that the Scottish Government will play an active role in discussing the referendum aftermath. She would have a democratic mandate, albeit not the legal recognition of a member state.

How would mainland Europe respond to Scottish requests? EU leaders would gain from undermining Westminster’s political legitimacy. How can England’s politicians attempt a hard-line negotiation strategy when its own Union is so fragile? European elites also quell domestic doubts about the EU by presenting Brexit as English exceptionalism. Scotland can play a useful role.

None of this has been discussed in public by Scottish, Westminster or EU officials. That may be because it’s fanciful, confidential, or because few have reckoned with the probability that England is heading for the exit door.

There is no White Paper to explain how the dust would settle. Another UK General Election? Street protests demanding independence? Parallel negotiations involving UK, Scottish and EU authorities? A call for a further Scotland Bill to devolve powers formerly held at an EU level?

There is little time left for voices in Scotland to continue to pour scorn on both official campaigns.

For those who advocate independence in Europe, a substantial Scottish Remain victory is required to salvage that vision. And a strategy is required for what happens if the rest of the UK puts that prospect in jeopardy.

Otherwise a referendum whose timing was unwanted, whose campaign was unloved, and whose result was unchanged by voters in Scotland could take us all into territory for which the public seems unprepared.

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Stuart J

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"A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't"

Taken from Facebook. Thought it was quite good. Made me chuckle anyway.
 
alex04w

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Stuart J said:
"A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't"

Taken from Facebook. Thought it was quite good. Made me chuckle anyway.
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One of the most prejudicial lists on here in a long time. No attempt being made to be even and many left off the second list.

You only have to look at the first list to see the inconsistencies. You have the Director of Europol, the Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation and former Directors of GCHQ all siding with Sinn Fein and their northern leader who admits to being in the IRA.
 
Henarar

Henarar

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its yourself said:
Below is the latest comment from Scotland.

Endorsed by a senior Scottish Tory commentator as accurate and understated.

You leavers won't like it.

Michael Gray: Don't expect a black-or-white decision on indyref2 following Brexit
JUNE 14TH, 2016 - 12:30 AM MICHAEL GRAY
7 COMMENTS
IN a coin-toss you get ready for either scenario. As the countdown – now just nine days – spins down towards the European Union referendum, we have to ask if that’s the case for Scotland in the case of Brexit.

Do I believe it will happen? Well, polls say it’s too close to call. What we know is the Leave camp is riding a wave of English/British patriotism, anti-establishment discontent, and misdirected frustrations over immigration. They can win.

Even if the campaign hasn’t lit the heather alight in Scotland, we should care. A Leave vote would have widespread implications that have hardly been discussed.

Talk of a second referendum on independence has spun like a broken record, and skipped a number of important steps. Instead of a rush to a re-run post-Brexit, there would be chaos at Westminster and an immediate need to assert Scottish influence on the disaffiliation process.

The UK Government would invoke the Lisbon Treaty’s Article 50. Legislation would then be passed at Westminster to begin the withdrawal process. David Cameron would surely resign. Negotiations begin. According to the treaty, the UK would formally exit the EU in two years’ time – 2018.

Meanwhile, Scotland – having voted to Remain – would face a complex political and legal juncture. How can the government reflect the will of the people when its legal position (in the Scotland Acts and EU law) is inferior to that of the UK state? Some will argue for an immediate independence referendum, but without confidence of victory that will not happen straight away.

I don’t expect a black or white decision on indyref2 following a Brexit. Nicola Sturgeon has said it will only take place “if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people”. That will not be the case on June 24. However, it could be by the time of a full UK-EU exit in 2018.

Throughout that two-year process, the independence movement can point to the democratic absurdity that Scotland can be removed against the will of the people. Interestingly, whisky giant Diageo and The Herald newspaper have said they will reconsider their position on independence in this scenario.

A gradual build-up to a second independence referendum suits the SNP. It strengthens their position without taking an immediate risk of putting their cause to an uncertain electorate.

There are also other ways to challenge the legitimacy of a vote for Brexit.

The Scottish Parliament could refuse legislative consent to Westminster dictating the negotiations. Similar to legal squabbles in Catalonia, this would heighten constitutional divisions where there is a clear popular mandate. Would the UK Government then “discipline” the devolved parliament with all the resulting authoritarian overtones?

Brexit would not just be a British phenomenon. It has consequences for the entire continent. Other populist movements will seek their own plebiscites – invoking fear at the heart of the EU project. In Paris, Berlin, Strasbourg and Brussels leaders will seek stability.

An immediate task for all Scottish politicians in the event of a Brexit is to take advantage of this with a diplomatic case for special treatment from EU institutions. Nicola Sturgeon should be on the phone to European capitals making it very clear that the Scottish Government will play an active role in discussing the referendum aftermath. She would have a democratic mandate, albeit not the legal recognition of a member state.

How would mainland Europe respond to Scottish requests? EU leaders would gain from undermining Westminster’s political legitimacy. How can England’s politicians attempt a hard-line negotiation strategy when its own Union is so fragile? European elites also quell domestic doubts about the EU by presenting Brexit as English exceptionalism. Scotland can play a useful role.

None of this has been discussed in public by Scottish, Westminster or EU officials. That may be because it’s fanciful, confidential, or because few have reckoned with the probability that England is heading for the exit door.

There is no White Paper to explain how the dust would settle. Another UK General Election? Street protests demanding independence? Parallel negotiations involving UK, Scottish and EU authorities? A call for a further Scotland Bill to devolve powers formerly held at an EU level?

There is little time left for voices in Scotland to continue to pour scorn on both official campaigns.

For those who advocate independence in Europe, a substantial Scottish Remain victory is required to salvage that vision. And a strategy is required for what happens if the rest of the UK puts that prospect in jeopardy.

Otherwise a referendum whose timing was unwanted, whose campaign was unloved, and whose result was unchanged by voters in Scotland could take us all into territory for which the public seems unprepared.

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hence why you clearly want a leave vote
 
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Picture of the pro-Brexit flotilla of ships heading up the Thames
 
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Stuart J said:
"A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't"

Taken from Facebook. Thought it was quite good. Made me chuckle anyway.
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Yes, the global 3‰ elite are desperate for us to stay in.

One of the main reasons I want out!
 
arbel

arbel

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Ashtree said:
Good heavens !! Corbyn would be proud of you.
Mrs. Thatcher I have no doubt is in this very moment striving valiantly to get out of her eternal slumber to arrest this march to some form of quasi socialist state.

I know you have had a long flight and perhaps the effects haven't quite yet worn off.

May I suggest you have a good nights sleep and after a good breakfast you take thoughtful read of your manifesto. I'm sure you will on mature reflection consign the more socialist elements to the bin.

Yours truly.

Prof Ash[emoji57]
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Good morning Prof. Your position on this forum as an 'agent provocateur' is well known.
Fortunately, I don't ever suffer from jet lag and you make a grave error in assuming that I vote Tory or at least, lean in that direction. I don't.
You of course, if you are whom you say you are, have no vote in the Referendum, which is British business. If my memory serves me correctly, the ROI allowed its banking and economic system to become such a basket case, it required a €64 billion bail-out from the EU.
Corbyn will soon be consigned to history and there will be and needs to be a fundamental change in British politics and the governance of our country. What you do in your own is your affair.
Keep planting the tatties!
 
JP1

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Stuart J said:
"A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't"

Taken from Facebook. Thought it was quite good. Made me chuckle anyway.
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Made me chuckle although I would have edited out the leaders of the SNP and Sinn Fein and probably most of the businesses that frustrate me like Vodafone and BT for a start
 
arbel

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Old McDonald said:
This first reason is the nub of my objection to Britain having joined in the first place. Absolutely nothing has changed since the founding Treaty in regard to these aims. No other reason (although I too could provide a list) is necessary.

I simply cannot understand those people wishing to remain under such conditions - agreed and signed to by our own successive elected parliamentarians, and no possibility of evading the consequences.

If any of them ever gave a reasoned opinion as to why they want to be subject to such conditions for the rest of their lives and those of their offspring, then perhaps I might be able to understand their point of view. I have never heard anyone on the Remain side say why they think it is a great idea to have a single State of Europe.

You could be more specific to any difference between Westminster and Brussels/Strasbourg though when you refer to"unelected highly paid officials". The cabinet government system operates in both theUK and the EU. Do you object to the necessary civil servants (although perhaps not quite as many are necessary - I would have to have time within a dept to determine that), or the Cabinet (appointed by the PM or the 28 Member States as the case may be). Surely you do not advocate that we should also have elections to appoint the Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary, EU commisioners?
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With respect, we do have some say in whom ends up as being Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary etc, as these people are usually visible in the Shadow Cabinet at the time of General Elections. Of course, the PM might make changes during his administration, but generally these will not be strangers.
I do not know the political aspirations or leanings of the hierarchy in the EU and I certainly don't get the chance of voting for them.
 
arbel

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Stuart J said:
"A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't"

Taken from Facebook. Thought it was quite good. Made me chuckle anyway.
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The list made me chuckle too - for its very biased omissions.
 
arbel

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Two Tone said:
Looks like Osborne has Kiboshed himself, the twit (I mean twit! Ahggg!)

How he even thinks he could remain as chancellor for long post Brexit, let alone revamp his budget to make all his cuts and put up taxes, amazes me.
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If you are referring to Osborne's performance on the Today program, Radio 4 this morning, I was shocked to hear him imply that HMG has no Plan B in the event of a Brexit. As always of course, he singularly failed to answer the questions put to him.
 
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To quote Mandy Rice-Davis; "He would say that wouldn't he?"

Immediately the Government admits it has a plan B, its credibility for Remain is diminished. I don't know what your thoughts are about it @arbel, but I am sure that even if the Government doesn't actually yet have a plan B, the Civil Service are working one one or have got one ready. What do you think?

IMO Osborne has now so completely shot himself in the foot, never mind the 57 MP's warning to him, in effect after the horse had bolted.

Despite all the rhetoric and bad mouthing from opposite sides before elections, loosing politicians usually admit defeat and congratulate the winning team as soon as the result is known. If Leave win, one would hope Osborne would have the grace to do so, resign as Chancellor and shut up.

If Remain win, hasn't he lost so much credibility now, that he could not now ever become PM?
 
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Register Here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-mo...2024-mobile-data-centres-tickets-871045770347

Tuesday, May 21 · 10am - 2pm GMT+1

Location: Village Hotel Bury, Rochdale Road, Bury, BL9 7BQ

The Farming Forum has teamed up with the award winning hardware manufacturer Easy Compute to bring you an educational talk about how AI and blockchain technology is helping farmers to diversify their land.

Over the past 7 years, Easy Compute have been working with farmers, agricultural businesses, and renewable energy farms all across the UK to help turn leftover space into mini data centres. With...
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