What will the no tillers do ?

Adeptandy

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Arable Farmer
Location
PE15
Only Glypho I use is for pre harvest on the Pea's and pre drilling on the spring crops, but with another pass with the power harrow a week before drilling I think I could survive without it, might even try it this year to see. I'd really only need it on the Pea's pre harvest then. :whistle:
 

Spud

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Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
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Only Glypho I use is for pre harvest on the Pea's and pre drilling on the spring crops, but with another pass with the power harrow a week before drilling I think I could survive without it, might even try it this year to see. I'd really only need it on the Pea's pre harvest then. :whistle:
Diquat would dessicate the peas
 

DangerRanger

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BASE UK Member
When I came home from uni to farm, every field was ploughed every year and the farm was very bad for couch and bromes and lots of other weeds. We started using more glyphosate and really cleaned up the farm
I discovered that annually ploughing did little for weed control as most weed seed would be back to a variable depth within a year.
 

Spud

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Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
When I came home from uni to farm, every field was ploughed every year and the farm was very bad for couch and bromes and lots of other weeds. We started using more glyphosate and really cleaned up the farm
I discovered that annually ploughing did little for weed control as most weed seed would be back to a variable depth within a year.
Plough well, plough slow. Deep one year, then progressively shallower in subsequent years. No need to plough every year either, IMO.
 

Adeptandy

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Arable Farmer
Location
PE15
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Diquat would dessicate the peas

It would, but my patch suffers from Bindweed, its sometimes/often a real pain in the Pea's especially if it comes late in the crop, so Glypho works really well if i can give it 3 weeks, Diquat just burns the top off and leaves the stems in wth the pea stalks, which then wraps on the front auger, you then get more pea's being thrown out the front than up to the drum :rolleyes:
 

martian

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BASE UK Member
Location
N Herts
Glyphosate may have an LD50 lower than table salt (as in lethal dose), but it's really not completely benign, especially when used pre-harvest or on GM Roundup-Ready crops. Interesting video:
This is what winds people up and why we need to work out ways of not needing it. Gabe Brown no-till farms successfully without it, admittedly in different conditions to the UK. We've got lazy with our rotations and we are only just discovering the potential of cover crops, for weed supression as well as fertility building. Interesting times...
 
If I'm not mistaken, organic farmers don't use glyphosate. Why would they go bust if its banned. The hills are mostly grass, yes no sub would squeeze them, but not a glypho ban, imo
Because some more able and well capitalised farmers would convert thus putting organic into oversupply and a horrendous price crash. Increased livestock in the lowlands would push out the hill boys as they cannot benefit from an integrated system with arable production. There is no such thing as an isolated event like this there will be unintended victims, small contractors who rely on the hay trade would also feel the pinch from a large increase in free grass.
 

Honest john

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Location
Fenland
I am led to believe Gly kills a plant by extruding from a plants roots, so that the soil biology around the root , dies or stops feeding the plant.

Some research says this.

If that is the case what about the biology in our stomach , and that of the animals we feed to then eat ?

No smoke without fire.

But we farmed without it 30 yr's ago.
 
I am led to believe Gly kills a plant by extruding from a plants roots, so that the soil biology around the root , dies or stops feeding the plant.

Some research says this.

If that is the case what about the biology in our stomach , and that of the animals we feed to then eat ?

No smoke without fire.

But we farmed without it 30 yr's ago.
Yes I remember going over a field umpteen times trying to cultivate out weeds. How much diesel, steel and rubber can to throw at something and call it a green way of doing things?
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
But we farmed without it 30 yr's ago.

i have said many times its totally possible to farm without it as of course farmers did without it for thousands of years. Its even possible to zero till without it if you don't want a cash crop every years off every acre

Being able to farm / grow crops is unfortunately not the same as it being economic to do so however and at current cereals commodity prices with no subs (the future) you can't make money without tools like glyphosate

I'm talking about making money from farming, not from owning land, you don't have to farm yourself to make money out of a land investment
 
I am led to believe Gly kills a plant by extruding from a plants roots, so that the soil biology around the root , dies or stops feeding the plant.

Some research says this.

If that is the case what about the biology in our stomach , and that of the animals we feed to then eat ?

No smoke without fire.

But we farmed without it 30 yr's ago.

This might be the case but where is the evidence of the toxicity? Chemotherapy good or bad?
 

Honest john

Member
Location
Fenland
Glyphosate may have an LD50 lower than table salt (as in lethal dose), but it's really not completely benign, especially when used pre-harvest or on GM Roundup-Ready crops. Interesting video:
This is what winds people up and why we need to work out ways of not needing it. Gabe Brown no-till farms successfully without it, admittedly in different conditions to the UK. We've got lazy with our rotations and we are only just discovering the potential of cover crops, for weed supression as well as fertility building. Interesting times...

Sorry but how can one like this. I did run this video but had heard most of it before.
Will Gly get banned yes I think so, will it result in food getting more expensive yes I think so.
There will be many changes as when the burning ban finished DD the last time.
 
I bet you a tenner that I could no till without glyphosate and you can keep your drum of roundup. I wouldn't be going organic, if you banned all chemicals I'd struggle.
Any one can notill without glyphosate but the trick is, @Clive points out making money. If you think cover crops will work long term think again, all you will do is shift the weed spectrum in a few years. The profitability will fall out of any crop that helps as we have seen with barley
Individuals may think they can survive but that is only within the present system, take glyphosate out of the equation and is a whole new ball game. Imagine every arable farmer deciding to introduce grass and perhaps some livestock? The whole balance of farming would change and don't forget the major competitors would not be working with their hands behind their backs.
 

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