startinghandle
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perhaps it is only a matter of time until tractors on charity road runs are checked what fuel is in the tank!!!
what are rules using red diesel in tractor when it should be white?
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Grassman
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- Derbyshire
This supplier gives a guide on red diesel use. I'm not entirely confident they are right?
https://www.speedyfuels.co.uk/rules-on-using-red-diesel
Some interesting interpretations in the comments at the bottom!
https://www.speedyfuels.co.uk/rules-on-using-red-diesel
Some interesting interpretations in the comments at the bottom!
Grassman
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- Derbyshire
bantammatt
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They are aren't they??
bantammatt
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[QUOTE="Cab-over Pete, post: 4386492, member: 416"
If you are called in to help as an extra trailer haulier then you are not classed as part of the operation, but classed as a haulier, for hire and reward, therefore you must run on white.
Madness.
If you are called in to help as an extra trailer haulier then you are not classed as part of the operation, but classed as a haulier, for hire and reward, therefore you must run on white.
Madness.
Grassman
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- Derbyshire
I'm not sure that is correct if it is part of the harvesting process. If you were called in to haul after the field was harvested then yes.
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
What's the price gap between the two, or what level of tax evasion I really mean 
It's all so simple here, I fill the ute, go to town, buy a $1.50 bolt - business trip!
So I claim my tax back.
Pump diesel is $1.37 at the bowser in town but my card makes it .91c
"Daylight robbery"
It's all so simple here, I fill the ute, go to town, buy a $1.50 bolt - business trip!
So I claim my tax back.
Pump diesel is $1.37 at the bowser in town but my card makes it .91c
"Daylight robbery"
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So you never pull up to the grain dryer gas tank and fill your truck /car up . With the pump you fill your gas powered forklift that you use in the potato store.
that don't sound right they can only dip the tank your drawing from i had a 3 tank set up and was dipped first question they ask is which tank are you using
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Simples, let whoever is doing the harvesting hire your tractor and trailer. If they need a driver let them pay you to drive the tractor they have on hire.
After all, I don't think there's anything in the rules that says contractors can't hire tractors and run them on red or employ someone to drive those tractors.
Tarw Coch
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- Bottom of Wats Dyke
White, otherwise known as DERV, that's Diesel Engined Road Vehicles is for road going vehicles. Red can be used in anything off road.
Simon Chiles
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- Surrey/ Kent Border, UK
Actually @Cab-over Pete was wrong in his interpretation. If you were hauling gain ( or silage etc ) from the harvester back to the farm you would be part of the harvesting ( therefore agricultural) operation and it would be OK on red. Hauling the grain etc from the farm to a mill etc would be haulage if that was the only part of the operation you’d done. If you had been part of the whole operation ( ie you’d planted the crop or fertilised it, and you could prove it ) then you’d be part of the agricultural operation and you could do exactly the same as you could if it were your own farm.
Simon Chiles
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- Surrey/ Kent Border, UK
PS Duel fuels are only allowed on vehicles if the red is used for operating a machine etc carried on the back and it has a separate tank for the white used for propulsion. You can’t just switch from red to white and vice versa without cleaning the whole fuel system down and also changing the taxation class of the vehicle, it will also bring into consideration other things such as tachometers and O licensing.
Not so, red is specifically for agricultural and construction use in exempt circumstances. If you have a canal boat you have to use white for propulsion - and they never go anywhere near the road - but can use red for heating.
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
icanshootwell
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- Location
- Ross-on-wye
Its about half, approx 50p/litre for red and 98p/ litre for white exc vat, which means at the pump would make it £1.17 per litreWhat's the price gap between the two, or what level of tax evasion I really mean
It's all so simple here, I fill the ute, go to town, buy a $1.50 bolt - business trip!
So I claim my tax back.
Pump diesel is $1.37 at the bowser in town but my card makes it .91c
"Daylight robbery"
Weare Cham
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- Location
- N. Devon
Do you know anyone have their canal boat's tank dipped?
Goweresque
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- North Wilts
They don't use white, they use red, but have to sign a form at the time of purchase that X litres of the fuel will be used for propulsion rather than heating and they pay extra duty on the propulsion bit. So dipping would be pointless. It would be the claim for propulsion vs heating that would come under scrutiny. Some people have permanent moorings and rarely move, so could easily be using it all for heating, others move around all the time so should declare more.
Very common if you take a pleasure craft over to France to get them dipped.
I can only tell what I was told, only saving grace was that red tank was full of white as it is surprisingly hard to source red diesel easily when working away from a base