Tory wipeout in scotland???

nivilla1982 · Dec 16, 2019

Apparently one option the SNP are considering if they don't get the agreement of the PM for a new independence referendum is for all 45 SNP MPs to resign their seats and fight 45 by-elections strictly on the issue of independence.

Martin Holden · Dec 16, 2019

Nithsdale Farmer said:
No, you're still confusing things.
The GE gives the SNP the majority they need to say they have a mandate for a referendum. The GE result is no gauge to that referendum result because it was a GE, where you vote for political parties.

The vote for/against SNP is NOT a reflection of for/against independence... There are voters who will have voted SNP who will vote NO in a referendum, just like there are voters of Tory, Labour, LibDem and Green who will vote YES in a referendum.

By your own logic, this GE was a 2nd Brexit referendum and despite the Tory wining the election - Brexit just lost...

You're being deliberately disingenuous.

I’d be sad to see Scotland leave the union but if that’s what you all desire, then so be it. You’ve earned the right for a second vote I guess, but be careful what you wish for. As others have said Scotland would be a minnow in the EU and wouldn’t they have to adopt the Euro as a new member?

brigadoon · Dec 16, 2019

Bongodog said:
The only present circumstances where you have a significant voice at westminster is where you are propping up a minority labour govt. Previous Scots leaders did well for you, look how Gordon Brown broke the mod budget on two aircraft carriers built at rosyth as a prime example

Would those be the aircraft carriers whose final assemby was done at Rosyth with modules coming from several places in the UK?

During a speech on 21 July 2004, Geoff Hoon announced a one-year delay to allow contractual and cost issues to be resolved. The building of the carriers was confirmed in December 2005. The building is being undertaken by four companies across seven shipyards, with final block integration and assembly at Rosyth:

BAE Systems Surface Ships – Govan (Lower Blocks 3 and 4), Scotstoun (aft island) and Portsmouth (Lower Blocks 2, 5 and forward island)
Babcock Marine – Rosyth (Sponsons, Mast and Centre Blocks 5 and 6) and Appledore (Lower Block 1)
A&P Group – Hebburn (Centre Block 3)
Cammell Laird – Birkenhead (Centre Blocks 2 and 4)[58]

Highland Mule · Dec 16, 2019

Martin Holden said:
I’d be sad to see Scotland leave the union but if that’s what you all desire, then so be it.

It’s not.

Martin Holden said:
You’ve earned the right for a second vote I guess.

No we haven’t. We were promised it would be once in a generation, so not for a fair bit of time yet thanks.

Martin Holden said:
and wouldn’t they have to adopt the Euro as a new member?

No, we wouldn’t. In fact it would be tricky to meet the acceptance criteria unless we had our own currency first, so perhaps even two changes very quickly, if we did.

Werzle · Dec 16, 2019

People of scotland that want a referendum must be nuts, boris is going to lavish money on you but you want to vote to become a minnow in the eu

Just to massage jimmy crankie's ego. Crackers.

Agrivator · Dec 16, 2019

Werzle said:
People of scotland that want a referendum must be nuts, boris is going to lavish money on you but you want to vote to become a minnow in the eu Just to massage jimmy crankie's ego. Crackers.

I am almost certain that Jimmy Cranky would oppose independence. And as far as I know, there isn't a single impartial poll which shows that there is a majority support in Scotland for independence.
If anyone knows of one, can he or she provide a link.

In the event that an official and legal Referendum gave a small majority in favour of leave, then to use the SNP's own words, the Scottish Borders and Dumfries and Galloway would not be dragged out of the UK against its will.

wanton dwarf · Dec 16, 2019

Highland Mule said:
It’s not.

No we haven’t. We were promised it would be once in a generation, so not for a fair bit of time yet thanks.

No, we wouldn’t. In fact it would be tricky to meet the acceptance criteria unless we had our own currency first, so perhaps even two changes very quickly, if we did.

My understanding is that the SNP do NOT represent the majority in Scotland.

It's very easy to slip into blaming the Scottish .. when in reality it's the SNP who are extreme.

I don't pretend to know what Boris will do BUT if he could victimise the SNP whilst supporting Unionists .. then that's the way forward.

The alternative would be making the SNP accountable but that could back fire.

Henarar · Dec 16, 2019

Highland Mule said:
No we haven’t. We were promised it would be once in a generation, so not for a fair bit of time yet thanks.

what the shortest time for a generation ?

wanton dwarf · Dec 16, 2019

Werzle said:
People of scotland that want a referendum must be nuts, boris is going to lavish money on you but you want to vote to become a minnow in the eu Just to massage jimmy crankie's ego. Crackers.

Jimmy Crankie is playing a game of high stakes with Westminster & the EU .. attempting to milk both for the most money.

IMHO Boris just won't bother playing.

Conservatives need UK voters .. Conservative regions in Scotland MIGHT get special dispensation .. but the SNP regions can be forgotten.

wanton dwarf · Dec 16, 2019

Henarar said:
what the shortest time for a generation ?

Anywhere from 16 to 45 years ?

Highland Mule · Dec 16, 2019

Henarar said:
what the shortest time for a generation ?

Well, it’s 12 months for ewe lambs, isn’t it? That’s what Nicola will be thinking.

Truth be known I can’t remember if it was once a generation or once a lifetime they said, but they told us we had once chance....

caveman · Dec 16, 2019

Henarar said:
what the shortest time for a generation ?

Legally, 16 years and 9 months, I would of thought.

arcobob · Dec 16, 2019

Henarar said:
what the shortest time for a generation ?

Generally accepted as thirty years.

Bongodog · Dec 16, 2019

brigadoon said:
Would those be the aircraft carriers whose final assemby was done at Rosyth with modules coming from several places in the UK?

During a speech on 21 July 2004, Geoff Hoon announced a one-year delay to allow contractual and cost issues to be resolved. The building of the carriers was confirmed in December 2005. The building is being undertaken by four companies across seven shipyards, with final block integration and assembly at Rosyth:

BAE Systems Surface Ships – Govan (Lower Blocks 3 and 4), Scotstoun (aft island) and Portsmouth (Lower Blocks 2, 5 and forward island)

Babcock Marine – Rosyth (Sponsons, Mast and Centre Blocks 5 and 6) and Appledore (Lower Block 1)

A&P Group – Hebburn (Centre Block 3)

Cammell Laird – Birkenhead (Centre Blocks 2 and 4)[58]

Yes, some blocks were manufactured in England, Govan, Scotstoun and Rosyth however are to the best of my knowledge north of the border. Your own list shows a Scots content rather more than the 8% that would be an equal share

Henarar · Dec 16, 2019

arcobob said:
Generally accepted as thirty years.

how old will Jimmy be by then

arcobob · Dec 16, 2019

Bongodog said:
Yes, some blocks were manufactured in England, Govan, Scotstoun and Rosyth however are to the best of my knowledge north of the border. Your own list shows a Scots content rather more than the 8% that would be an equal share

Not fair

arcobob · Dec 16, 2019

Henarar said:
how old will Jimmy be by then

Necrophilia springs to mind

arcobob · Dec 16, 2019

arcobob said:
Necrophilia springs to mind

What will the next fish be? Who remembers jaws or James Whale?

arcobob · Dec 16, 2019

nivilla1982 said:
Apparently one option the SNP are considering if they don't get the agreement of the PM for a new independence referendum is for all 45 SNP MPs to resign their seats and fight 45 by-elections strictly on the issue of independence.

Good idea

Martin Holden · Dec 16, 2019

Werzle said:
People of scotland that want a referendum must be nuts, boris is going to lavish money on you but you want to vote to become a minnow in the eu Just to massage jimmy crankie's ego. Crackers.

I don’t think that will make any difference. Clearly the SNP want independence whatever. So maybe the clearest way is to ask the population again and if they say “No remain part of the Union” what’s left for the SNP to fight for? I still think they should stay but if another ref’ is turned down by Boris, we are going to see endless amounts of nippy on the TV arghh!

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