Coronavirus... Who's telling the truth?!

Selectamatic · Mar 4, 2020

On the one hand, lockdowns, lack of supplies, people off work, massive media coverage, army drafted in, fights cancelled etc etc

On the other hand, its just flu, it's killed a few, but nothing compared to 'normal' flu. Get on with your life but don't cough at people. Media hype, blown out of all proportion.

So... who's telling the truth? What or who should I believe?

topground · Mar 4, 2020

Believe nothing of what you are told and half of what you see .

jendan · Mar 4, 2020

Selectamatic said:
On the one hand, lockdowns, lack of supplies, people off work, massive media coverage, army drafted in, fights cancelled etc etc

On the other hand, its just flu, it's killed a few, but nothing compared to 'normal' flu. Get on with your life but don't cough at people. Media hype, blown out of all proportion.

So... who's telling the truth? What or who should I believe?

A very good question and one i would like to know the truth of.It doesnt stack up to me.China would have had millions of deaths by now if it is as bad as the forecasts.

br jones · Mar 4, 2020

jendan said:
A very good question and one i would like to know the truth of.It doesnt stack up to me.China would have had millions of deaths by now if it is as bad as the forecasts.

Maybe they have ?

jendan · Mar 4, 2020

br jones said:
Maybe they have ?

It would have come out in the open by now! Surveillance goes on all the time.

Goweresque · Mar 4, 2020

My feeling is its not the fatality rate thats concerning the authorities, though thats bad enough, it is considerably worse than normal flu. I think its the transmission rate thats causing them to worry. If a disease kills 1% of those infected, then if only a few tens or hundreds of thousands get infected then there won't be many deaths, and more importantly there won't be economic disruption. If on the other hand millions get infected then there will be a LOT of deaths and worse than that (from a 'making sure society continues to function' perspective) millions will be off work. Potentially meaning services start to collapse, which could then have severe domino knock on effects.

SARS was a more deadly disease than the coronavirus but transmission was harder, so the overall impact was minor. This one seems to be very infectious, so the likelihood of millions being sick at the same time has got to be considerably higher.

Poorbuthappy · Mar 4, 2020

Goweresque said:
My feeling is its not the fatality rate thats concerning the authorities, though thats bad enough, it is considerably worse than normal flu. I think its the transmission rate thats causing them to worry. If a disease kills 1% of those infected, then if only a few tens or hundreds of thousands get infected then there won't be many deaths, and more importantly there won't be economic disruption. If on the other hand millions get infected then there will be a LOT of deaths and worse than that (from a 'making sure society continues to function' perspective) millions will be off work. Potentially meaning services start to collapse, which could then have severe domino knock on effects.

SARS was a more deadly disease than the coronavirus but transmission was harder, so the overall impact was minor. This one seems to be very infectious, so the likelihood of millions being sick at the same time has got to be considerably higher.

Off work, and potentially inundating the NHS. That's the govts main worry I believe.

Still Farming · Mar 4, 2020

19 years ago we all know how things were handled with FMD in Livestock !!!!
This is people so F know's what we are up against?

Andrew1983 · Mar 4, 2020

I’m surprised the media isn’t full of survivors telling their story of how bad the virus has affected them. Or stories from people who have lost relatives.
I have seen one woman in China who described the symptoms she suffered. Also read a report that said the critically ill can be hospitalised for 3-6 weeks. That’s got to be a huge worry for the NHS. China was able to pull in 40k nurses from other areas to help treat in Wuhan can’t see that happening here! Large numbers needing ventilators and O2 will stretch things too.

Also you would think that if transmission is so easy that whole families would go down with it pretty much across the board, if one person brings it home and symptoms don’t show for a few days you would think the home environment would be a strong place for spread?

robs1 · Mar 5, 2020

Just up.the road from where we are is where the guy that brought it from Singapore was staying in a chalet, he gave it to a father and son, but no others there caught it nor any kids in the two schools the boy was at, he then flew back( I assume he flew) to the uk and no one on the plane caught it but someone in Brighton did from him so it cant be that easy to catch or it is but in most symptoms are so minor that it is like a cold

Still Farming · Mar 5, 2020

Started on another thread

China publishes coronavirus patients autopsy results, says infection sources determined

The report notes that the coronavirus was found in the human excretory system

tass.com

Kidds · Mar 5, 2020

The report notes that the coronavirus was found in the human excretory system, which might also serve as the source of contact and aerosol infection mechanism.

Does this mean it is spread by farting?

Chickcatcher · Mar 5, 2020

Oh how an old man thinks!
would I be better to go seek out the infection immediatly so when Iam ill there will be someone to look after me, rather than waiting for everybody to get infected and nobody to look after me.!!!!!!

JP1 · Mar 5, 2020

To the OP I don't know but I'm worried. I'll take my chances but my Aunt in a care home is a sitting duck along with the other vulnerable residents. We had a small scare at their GP's own practice in Bacton last week where it was closed temporarily after a confirmed case

The only thing the home can do is ask all visitors to wash their hands but that seems too little considering the situation and I was asking the Manager if they should deter visitors for the time being

Still Farming · Mar 5, 2020

JP1 said:
To the OP I don't know but I'm worried. I'll take my chances but my Aunt in a care home is a sitting duck along with the other vulnerable residents. We had a small scare at their GP's own practice in Bacton last week where it was closed temporarily after a confirmed case

The only thing the home can do is ask all visitors to wash their hands but that seems too little considering the situation and I was asking the Manager if they should deter visitors for the time being

Old isolated people need checking but possibly worst thing to do?

JP1 · Mar 5, 2020

Still Farming said:
Old isolated people need checking but possibly worst thing to do?

It's a terrible situation. Dementia so short term memory loss that I visit, nearest family for 200 miles and not knowing how this will spread and peak

2wheels · Mar 5, 2020

Chickcatcher said:
Oh how an old man thinks!
would I be better to go seek out the infection immediatly so when Iam ill there will be someone to look after me, rather than waiting for everybody to get infected and nobody to look after me.!!!!!!

no,no. the idea is us old buggers get it and die quickly thus saving the gubermint pension payments and the ongoing cost of treating us for all the other ailments the elderly get.

Weasel · Mar 5, 2020

topground said:
Believe nothing of what you are told and half of what you see .

I'm gonna get that as a tattoo

br jones · Mar 5, 2020

Wasnt there a satellite image of big fires in the wuhan area awhile back ?

Update: Rise in sulfur dioxide could be sign of mass cremations in Wuhan | Taiwan News | 2020/02/15

Windy map shows spike in SO2 emissions from Wuhan, possibly signaling increased cremations

www.taiwannews.com.tw

Still Farming · Mar 5, 2020

Question Time debate on it all now bbc1

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