Breaking the law

Oh dear can't you come up with anything better than that
on the subject of travel it was idiots that can't bide home that spread CV all round the world, it didn't move itself idiots moved it and as soon as restrictions are lifted the idiots are off round the world again to drag some other sh1t back here, not really intelligent sensible folk these that go traveling all the time are they, probably the same ones that mock those that are happy to stay in their home country
So now your inviting banter you can’t take, move on H your too sharp for me. On the “subject” of travel? The thread subject is HMG breaking the law not travel. But you have a point, I was meant to be in Turkey from Oct 1st but have decided to stay home and do the right thing 👍👍
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
So now your inviting banter you can’t take, move on H your too sharp for me. On the “subject” of travel? The thread subject is HMG breaking the law not travel. But you have a point, I was meant to be in Turkey from Oct 1st but have decided to stay home and do the right thing 👍👍
well keep on topic then if your bothered about it
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
So now your inviting banter you can’t take, move on H your too sharp for me. On the “subject” of travel? The thread subject is HMG breaking the law not travel. But you have a point, I was meant to be in Turkey from Oct 1st but have decided to stay home and do the right thing 👍👍

Cancelled my November trip last month - airline made a slight change to flight timing so told them I wanted my money back.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Cancelled my November trip last month - airline made a slight change to flight timing so told them I wanted my money back.
lots of oh so clever people that are so wonderful didn't cancel they trips though, oh it will be fine if we go of to china, oh but I can't miss my ski trip to Italy, even the owner of this forum was still on about his ski trip right up till it really kicked off, those that stay home are just a bunch of bumpkins though apparently they can't see past their own county apparently
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Johnson or should I say Cummings, is looking to turn the UK into an "elective dictatorship" by removing any legal system, domestic or international that could challenge it and legally protecting the ministers who make them, which this clause 45 effectively does, relating to the Internal Marketing Bill. We also know that Cummings wishes to remove the UK from the ECHR and replace it with a diluted HRA that will then deprive the UK population of many human rights safeguards. Finally they have already used proroguing, Henry Vlll powers and Covid emergency powers ( last night new criminal offences were issued 20 mins before they took effect without any consultation) in efforts to undermine the sovereignty of Parliament. :banghead:
More hyperbole & an oxymoron too, if something's elected, it can be un-elected, so it's not a dictatorship.

You'll have to explain to me where s45 (text below) does or allows what you claim. I read it when it was published and have read it since then and again just now. Nothing in it gives the Gov't or any member of it immunity from prosecution - above the basic tenets of Crown Immunity, where occasionally applicable - nor are any laws rescinded by it. So where is what you claim?

The UK has a better HR record than 99% of the world including countries in the EU; our Common Law had remedies to infringements of such things long before the ECHR was even thought of. With regard to the underlined section, you are - of course - aware that ECHR rulings are not binding on members, so in what way would the status quo change were we to leave the ECHR - which, looks a very real probability this evening.

Where's your criticism of John Major for proroguing Parliament. and so what if a law is old? Habeus Corpus is ancient, but was only codified a few hundred years ago, but is still good law, and used everyday.

You clearly miss the irony of your last statement, this is Parliament demonstrating its sovereignty... :)

s45 Further provision related to sections 42 and 43 etc (1) The following have effect notwithstanding any relevant international or domestic law with which they may be incompatible or inconsistent— (a) section 42; (b) any regulations made under section 42(1); (c) section 43; (d) any regulations made under section 43(1); (e) this section; (f) any other provision of this Act so far as relating to the provisions in paragraphs (a) to (e). (2) Accordingly (among other things)— (a) regulations under section 42(1) or 43(1) are not to be regarded as unlawful on the grounds of any incompatibility or inconsistency with relevant international or domestic law; (b) all rights, powers, liabilities, obligations, restrictions, remedies and procedures which are, in accordance with section 7A of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, to be recognised and available in domestic law, and enforced, allowed and followed accordingly, cease to be recognised and available in domestic law, or enforced, allowed and followed, so far and for as long as they are incompatible or 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 United Kingdom Internal Market Bill Part 5 — Northern Ireland Protocol 36 inconsistent with a provision mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (f) of subsection (1); (c) section 7C of that Act ceases to have effect so far and for as long as it would require any question as to the validity, meaning or effect of any relevant separation agreement law to be decided in a way which is incompatible or inconsistent with a provision mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (f) of subsection (1); (d) any other provision or rule of domestic law that is relevant international or domestic law ceases to have effect so far and for as long as it is incompatible or inconsistent with a provision mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (f) of subsection (1). (3) In section 7A of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, in subsection (5)— (a) omit the “and” at the end of paragraph (e); (b) at the end of the subsection insert “, and (g) the provisions mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (f) of section 45(1) of the UK Internal Market Act 2020 (provisions to which this section is subject).” (4) In this section— “relevant international or domestic law” includes— (a) any provision of the Northern Ireland Protocol; (b) any other provision of the EU withdrawal agreement; (c) any other EU law or international law; (d) any provision of the European Communities Act 1972; (e) any provision of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018; (f) any retained EU law or relevant separation agreement law; (g) any other legislation, convention or rule of international or domestic law whatsoever, including any order, judgment or decision of the European Court or of any other court or tribunal; “relevant separation agreement law” has the meaning given by section 7C(3) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.


(A)and you have the brass neck to say I need to learn the language(.)
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Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
The irony of his original post #88 was that it also had a glaring error.
Two at least, probably three or four. 'Your', plus no full stop, 'France' rather than 'French' and no hyphen twixt that and 'based.

I'll forgive the 'Your' though, did it myself in a hurry a while ago... :bag:

Your free to join France based forums I’m sure, you may need to learn the language and possibly French as well 👍
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
Two at least, probably three or four. 'Your', plus no full stop, 'France' rather than 'French' and no hyphen twixt that and 'based.

I'll forgive the 'Your' though, did it myself in a hurry a while ago... :bag:

I stopped after the first word. Yes, we all make mistakes, but if you’re going to throw stones, make damned sure you’re not in a glass house at the time.
 

caveman

Member
Location
East Sussex.
Back on topic...


Why's it alright for the EU to ignore 'international law' it has signed up to, but wrong for the UK to do so? :unsure:
And...
Why would the UK be badly looked upon in the future, for welching on a deal, whilst the EU will be looked upon as whiter than white and even trustworthy for massaging the rules?
 

Ashtree

Member
More hyperbole & an oxymoron too, if something's elected, it can be un-elected, so it's not a dictatorship.

You'll have to explain to me where s45 (text below) does or allows what you claim. I read it when it was published and have read it since then and again just now. Nothing in it gives the Gov't or any member of it immunity from prosecution - above the basic tenets of Crown Immunity, where occasionally applicable - nor are any laws rescinded by it. So where is what you claim?

The UK has a better HR record than 99% of the world including countries in the EU; our Common Law had remedies to infringements of such things long before the ECHR was even thought of. With regard to the underlined section, you are - of course - aware that ECHR rulings are not binding on members, so in what way would the status quo change were we to leave the ECHR - which, looks a very real probability this evening.

Where's your criticism of John Major for proroguing Parliament. and so what if a law is old? Habeus Corpus is ancient, but was only codified a few hundred years ago, but is still good law, and used everyday.

You clearly miss the irony of your last statement, this is Parliament demonstrating its sovereignty... :)

s45 Further provision related to sections 42 and 43 etc (1) The following have effect notwithstanding any relevant international or domestic law with which they may be incompatible or inconsistent— (a) section 42; (b) any regulations made under section 42(1); (c) section 43; (d) any regulations made under section 43(1); (e) this section; (f) any other provision of this Act so far as relating to the provisions in paragraphs (a) to (e). (2) Accordingly (among other things)— (a) regulations under section 42(1) or 43(1) are not to be regarded as unlawful on the grounds of any incompatibility or inconsistency with relevant international or domestic law; (b) all rights, powers, liabilities, obligations, restrictions, remedies and procedures which are, in accordance with section 7A of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, to be recognised and available in domestic law, and enforced, allowed and followed accordingly, cease to be recognised and available in domestic law, or enforced, allowed and followed, so far and for as long as they are incompatible or 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 United Kingdom Internal Market Bill Part 5 — Northern Ireland Protocol 36 inconsistent with a provision mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (f) of subsection (1); (c) section 7C of that Act ceases to have effect so far and for as long as it would require any question as to the validity, meaning or effect of any relevant separation agreement law to be decided in a way which is incompatible or inconsistent with a provision mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (f) of subsection (1); (d) any other provision or rule of domestic law that is relevant international or domestic law ceases to have effect so far and for as long as it is incompatible or inconsistent with a provision mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (f) of subsection (1). (3) In section 7A of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, in subsection (5)— (a) omit the “and” at the end of paragraph (e); (b) at the end of the subsection insert “, and (g) the provisions mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (f) of section 45(1) of the UK Internal Market Act 2020 (provisions to which this section is subject).” (4) In this section— “relevant international or domestic law” includes— (a) any provision of the Northern Ireland Protocol; (b) any other provision of the EU withdrawal agreement; (c) any other EU law or international law; (d) any provision of the European Communities Act 1972; (e) any provision of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018; (f) any retained EU law or relevant separation agreement law; (g) any other legislation, convention or rule of international or domestic law whatsoever, including any order, judgment or decision of the European Court or of any other court or tribunal; “relevant separation agreement law” has the meaning given by section 7C(3) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.




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Bah humbug! Just watched Boris, unashamedly read a concoction of lies, untruths, fabrications, and God knows what else into the record of the house. Then ripped mercilessly apart by Ed Miliband. The camera on Boris, as Miliband destroyed him, just told its own story!
The mans an utter sham, from head to toe!
 

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