Breaking the law

runny egg

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So it appears there is no doubt the law is being broken, I see the TFF faithful are defending this, but as Brexiteers from the Lords and the Tory seats are starting to kick off (ignore remainers as they don’t count), and then the US have waded in. What are we hoping to gain from this? It’s doesn’t appear to assist trade negotiations with the EU or the States, so why renege on an agreement we put our name to.
 

Ashtree

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So it appears there is no doubt the law is being broken, I see the TFF faithful are defending this, but as Brexiteers from the Lords and the Tory seats are starting to kick off (ignore remainers as they don’t count), and then the US have waded in. What are we hoping to gain from this? It’s doesn’t appear to assist trade negotiations with the EU or the States, so why renege on an agreement we put our name to.
Oh stop being such a bore! GB, under the guidance and tutelage of Boris and Cummings, has a divine right, to pick and choose which laws are applicable and not applicable, to the great new post Brexit nation.
It’s not just the EU you know, which needs Britain more than Britain needs them. It’s the whole ruddy world needs Britain more than Britain needs it. Full stop. Amen. And if Britain ruddy well wants to change contracts willy nillly, then let’s all just get over ourselves and accept our place in the new world order.
 

beardface

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East Yorkshire
Surely in the event of a no deal the withdrawal agreement will be scrapped and a hard border put in place to protect the British communities of Northern Ireland. Ultimately its up to Ireland and Britain to create a frictionless border, with Ireland itself possibly becoming a border control zone for trade between the EU and Britain. Given the current situation this seems inevitable. The government can see the high chance of no deal and do are creating a UK law yo protect our internal market in the event of no deal.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Surely in the event of a no deal the withdrawal agreement will be scrapped and a hard border put in place to protect the British communities of Northern Ireland. Ultimately its up to Ireland and Britain to create a frictionless border, with Ireland itself possibly becoming a border control zone for trade between the EU and Britain. Given the current situation this seems inevitable. The government can see the high chance of no deal and do are creating a UK law yo protect our internal market in the event of no deal.
Genuinely not meaning to offend, but you don't seem to get it: the ROI is irrelevant to this discussion.
 

yin ewe

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Livestock Farmer
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Co Antrim
Most of NIs trade is with the rest of the UK, the internal market should be protected, if that means the UK government passing new legislation then so be it.
You would think they are the first government to break international law (if they actually have).
 

Ashtree

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I posted a stop digging symbol above, out genuine concern for ALL my dear Brexiteer friends. You see, I didn’t want you all to end up sweaty and dirty, with nothing to show for it at the end.

But on mature reflection, and seeing your determination to keep on digging (bit like my blasted Jack Russell, in her indoors flower beds, getting me in constant hot water), I feel compelled to help you in your quest for self destruction. (The dog too is on a slippery slope😐).

And so guys, please choose one to suit your own style of digging! When you finally get to the bottom of the pit, .... call Boris .... he will be along with a ladder and some light refreshments

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Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Most of NIs trade is with the rest of the UK, the internal market should be protected, if that means the UK government passing new legislation then so be it.
You would think they are the first government to break international law (if they actually have).
Agree entirely with the first bit; I've been writing that Parliament is Sovereign for ages, I restated this after the Supremes made their judgement and pointed out that left / liberals and Remoaners might regret the finding they fought so hard for, talk about the biter bit...

As for 'breaking' the law... the current bill will mean that a small section of a single (one) international agreement is retreated from and superseded by our own domestic legislation. The really, really stupid thing about those criticising this is that not one of them were against the 2013 Finance Act, which has a near-identical provision with, practically, exactly the same effect - that having been sponsored through Parliament by the arch-critic of the current Bill... the now un-elected Mr David Gauke.

Just for the record, there is no 'international law' per se, and certainly nothing that compares remotely to our national bodies of law; meaning that there is no 'law' above all sovereign states that all are bound to follow, it just doesn't exist. People may think this to be a bad or a good thing, but the fact remains.

So, the UK has not and is not about to break 'international law', it is about to ignore a single bit of one treaty with one trading bloc. This will not have any effect upon any goods or services from the EU, in terms of standards or tariffs, let alone the rest of the world. This is a political move from a bloc who are already in breach of that same treaty and who manifestly hate, and seem to be in denial about the fact that the UK is now, once again, sovereign.
 

Ashtree

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Agree entirely with the first bit; I've been writing that Parliament is Sovereign for ages, I restated this after the Supremes made their judgement and pointed out that left / liberals and Remoaners might regret the finding they fought so hard for, talk about the biter bit...

As for 'breaking' the law... the current bill will mean that a small section of a single (one) international agreement is retreated from and superseded by our own domestic legislation. The really, really stupid thing about those criticising this is that not one of them were against the 2013 Finance Act, which has a near-identical provision with, practically, exactly the same effect - that having been sponsored through Parliament by the arch-critic of the current Bill... the now un-elected Mr David Gauke.

Just for the record, there is no 'international law' per se, and certainly nothing that compares remotely to our national bodies of law; meaning that there is no 'law' above all sovereign states that all are bound to follow, it just doesn't exist. People may think this to be a bad or a good thing, but the fact remains.

So, the UK has not and is not about to break 'international law', it is about to ignore a single bit of one treaty with one trading bloc. This will not have any effect upon any goods or services from the EU, in terms of standards or tariffs, let alone the rest of the world. This is a political move from a bloc who are already in breach of that same treaty and who manifestly hate, and seem to be in denial about the fact that the UK is now, once again, sovereign.
You two guys, have broken your new shovels already! Pace yourselves for God’s sakes!
 
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Ashtree

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Seen as we have a shovel or 2
Shall we have a dig about to see what laws the ROI government may have broken ,?
oh dear! The subtleties and technicalities of all of this, is a lot for a Brexiteer to comprehend. I’ve really no time now to explain. Just follow the latest dog whistle to the end of the road. There you will see your leaders, suddenly seeing this, and tamely obeying ....... again!
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Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
The debate is about the destruction of the rule of law, and in the destruction in trust in an entire nation, at the hands of a few in Downing St.!
Sad really!
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What an utterly stupid piece of hyperbole, I've an interest in a small engineering firm and we're currently signing off to deliver for next year and the year after. The German firm in question seems to trust us.

You really are panicking, take a squint back through your posts of this week, ever and increasingly hysterical, meltdown... :(
 

br jones

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oh dear! The subtleties and technicalities of all of this, is a lot for a Brexiteer to comprehend. I’ve really no time now to explain. Just follow the latest dog whistle to the end of the road. There you will see your leaders, suddenly seeing this, and tamely obeying ....... again!
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Theres a film quote some where about truth and how to handle it ,you seem to struggle with truth and reality ,dont we bile boy
 

jendan

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Agree entirely with the first bit; I've been writing that Parliament is Sovereign for ages, I restated this after the Supremes made their judgement and pointed out that left / liberals and Remoaners might regret the finding they fought so hard for, talk about the biter bit...

As for 'breaking' the law... the current bill will mean that a small section of a single (one) international agreement is retreated from and superseded by our own domestic legislation. The really, really stupid thing about those criticising this is that not one of them were against the 2013 Finance Act, which has a near-identical provision with, practically, exactly the same effect - that having been sponsored through Parliament by the arch-critic of the current Bill... the now un-elected Mr David Gauke.

Just for the record, there is no 'international law' per se, and certainly nothing that compares remotely to our national bodies of law; meaning that there is no 'law' above all sovereign states that all are bound to follow, it just doesn't exist. People may think this to be a bad or a good thing, but the fact remains.

So, the UK has not and is not about to break 'international law', it is about to ignore a single bit of one treaty with one trading bloc. This will not have any effect upon any goods or services from the EU, in terms of standards or tariffs, let alone the rest of the world. This is a political move from a bloc who are already in breach of that same treaty and who manifestly hate, and seem to be in denial about the fact that the UK is now, once again, sovereign.
Why did Jonathan Jones resign then?
 

Ashtree

Member
Theres a film quote some where about truth and how to handle it ,you seem to struggle with truth and reality ,dont we bile boy
You prove my point, that you struggle with detail.
The old adage “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”, really does apply to you.
Now back to your fuzzy knowledge of that film quote “somewhere”! Here it is! Enjoy!
 

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