What do I tell my landlords then? I want £80acre off the rent because I don’t agree with the current area payment subsidy system? I’m sure they will agree the morality of that. It’s currently embedded.
Another BBC article Biased against farming.
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ollie989898
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Around here you will be paying well north of £100/acre and the BPS does not come into it.
It'll have to be unless those buyers want wholesale business collapse due to lack of supply....
ollie989898
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I don’t get the bit about folks paying big rents because of subs and the need for it to go back to the landowner .
Big rents are caused purely by the ones that tender it in the first place , needing to farm 1000s acres to make a living .
no one holds a gun to anyone’s head over rents.
locally, one of the operators that has paid big rents £190 acre FBT , has said he won’t make a penny this year, whereas we on a much more modest acreage , will have done ok, even in this poor year.
but still we are seen as the poor relation , even the poor operators, by the likes of @ajd132 and @Clive .
All I will say is that big isn’t alway best and pride comes before a fall .
Big rents are caused purely by the ones that tender it in the first place , needing to farm 1000s acres to make a living .
no one holds a gun to anyone’s head over rents.
locally, one of the operators that has paid big rents £190 acre FBT , has said he won’t make a penny this year, whereas we on a much more modest acreage , will have done ok, even in this poor year.
but still we are seen as the poor relation , even the poor operators, by the likes of @ajd132 and @Clive .
All I will say is that big isn’t alway best and pride comes before a fall .
Yeh I was just going on the fact that £80 acre of bps
livestock 1
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So basically you don’t agree with bps. You think it should be stopped. You believe hill farming is unviable without it. However when challenged about claiming it yourself you say you can’t farm without it! At the moment that is! Confusing where you stand on this
ollie989898
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No one has said anything about the scale of a business. If bigger businesses are using their own BPS as a way of making their calculators work when they come to rent additional land that is another consideration.
When have I ever said anything like that?
Size is absolutely irrelevant. There is good and poor operators of all shape and size. I know crap big farmers and crap small farmers, I know excellent small and excellent big farmers.
Get over yourself.
This obsession with size of farm and relating everything back to that is pathetic and so many on here appear to have huge chips on their shoulder.
We might farm a fair area but we don’t own much at all compared to many. I think Clive is in a similar position. Trust me I would rather farm 600 acres of owned and inherited land than be trying to Keep numerous land owners, landlords And land agents happy over several thousands of Acres of contract farmed and rented land
That’s true. But I get the impression that the main protagonists on this thread, see themselves as the only ones capable of farming without subs , and can’t wait to pounce on more acres.
Come on you are clever than this. It’s not about farming without it, or being profitable without it. Whilst it is there it is engrained into the economics of the whole industry so you take it. I don’t agree with it but I’m not daft or stupid enough to put myself at a massive competitive disadvantage.
So wide of the mark. Subs going would be a benefit to smaller owned operators more than it would be for someone contract farming.
so straight in with the insults you arsehole
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- Shropshire
Of course it is.
We all want change, and I think the vast majority of us want to farm without subs, but anyone who stands there and says “subsidies are a disgrace and should go” whilst picking up the payment Is a hypocrite.
those of us who receive it should be grateful whilst it lasts, and when it stops move on.
Otherwise it just looks like you and Clive have built successful businesses off the back of it, but now wish to pull the rug from under anyone else in the industry who is either struggling along or a young person attempting to start or develop their business.
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- Shropshire
You are wrong about people on here such as @silverfox. You would be wise to listen to his views. He knows far more than you appear to from what I’ve seen
livestock 1
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You were adamant at the beginning of all this rubbish thread that the demise of bps would make no difference to the price of produce whatsoever then after pages and pages of arguing you pipe up and say you can’t farm without it at the moment. Please explain?
I was thinking the same......subs got me my 1000 acres, Fendt, and no till drill.....so now subs can f**k off. 
i have already explained it. It’s not about ability to farm without them. It’s whilst they are embedded into the economics of the industry and affect the price of everything (apart from the end commodity) you would be daft not to take them because you will make yourself uncompetitive when everyone else is still taking it.
livestock 1
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Is it the case that you like to give the impression that you are far more clever that the rest of us but in reality you are not?
Plus those that have a delicate small / landscape structure to continue to maintain , unlike those f.ecking great baron looking constantly arable cropped fields with no fences gates or......soul