Speedstar
Member
- Location
- Scottish Borders
Used to be in ton bags years ago
Yara want to move to 750 kg bags
- Thread starter Rob Holmes
- Start date
I doubt they want to hear...
Perfect!
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I’ve just bought a 4 x 600 bag lifter. Typical.
Cowabunga
Member
- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
Good idea but does it work with stacked AN that has sticky big lumps? I know it is usually free flowing unless damp but I've handled thousands of tons of the stuff and know that a lot of it doesn't exit a bag like flowing water. Plus the bag presumably has to be dropped on to the device positioned on a solid floor and the bag might contain a rock solid lump at the bottom.
Maybe I'm being too suspicious of it, because if it works well, even at that price it may be well worth considering for those end of spreading loads.
- Location
- Northumberlandia
where you gonna store bulk fert? it takes up 3 times the room & all very open to the world. 600kg bags are fab end of.
Infact 500kg ones were ever easier. but 750kg no thanks. simples
- Location
- Northumberlandia
I bought one 4 years ago & hardly use it. wayway too much faf over pallet folks. that ive unloaded fert wagons oh heck for coming up 33yrs & never dropped a bag yet & 7-8 full artics a year max
- Location
- Northumberlandia
what if ya just want 600kg in the spreader? ton bags ive never used & hopefully never intend too. its bad enuff being partly under 600kg fert & 500kg seed bags as it is
- Location
- Northumberlandia
Got sum 3 year old Nitram stored here all 100% fine, but its in a dry shed.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
Maybe Yara could install a solid bulk fert tower on farmsdeliver product early to suit them, no packaging hassle and it doesn’t cost the farmer in storage either.
Blow the granules straight into the tower from the lorry, then when it comes to spreading just drive tractor underneath and the automatic chute opens it into spreader by gravity without leaving the seat.
Something like the arable version of this:
Gantry Drive Under Silo | EB Equipment | Bulk Storage
EB Equipment Gantry Drive Under Silos offer a high discharge outlet and easy drive through access for a Tractor/Trailers, TMR Feeder & Wagons etc.
eb-equipment.com
- Location
- Northumberlandia
Yeah i was kinda thinking the same they might be slightly wider but no much mind. i dont think there taller i think its just that tiny bit extra whole width is where the 100kg is
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
- Location
- Northumberlandia
Thats just a backwards step & look at the expense involved.Maybe Yara could install a solid bulk fert tower on farmsdeliver product early to suit them, no packaging hassle and it doesn’t cost the farmer in storage either.
Blow the granules straight into the tower from the lorry, then when it comes to spreading just drive tractor underneath and the automatic chute opens it into spreader by gravity without leaving the seat.
Something like the arable version of this:
View attachment 935882
Gantry Drive Under Silo | EB Equipment | Bulk Storage
EB Equipment Gantry Drive Under Silos offer a high discharge outlet and easy drive through access for a Tractor/Trailers, TMR Feeder & Wagons etc.
Na am quite happy with 600kg bags see no reason too make it any more harder.
we be using less soon with ELMS anyways
Tarw Coch
Member
- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Bags would be dirt heap compared to specialist storage like that plus it would need specialist haulage too, flat beds , curtain sliders and even walking floors can deliver bags sometimes as a back load.Maybe Yara could install a solid bulk fert tower on farmsdeliver product early to suit them, no packaging hassle and it doesn’t cost the farmer in storage either.
Blow the granules straight into the tower from the lorry, then when it comes to spreading just drive tractor underneath and the automatic chute opens it into spreader by gravity without leaving the seat.
Something like the arable version of this:
View attachment 935882
Gantry Drive Under Silo | EB Equipment | Bulk Storage
EB Equipment Gantry Drive Under Silos offer a high discharge outlet and easy drive through access for a Tractor/Trailers, TMR Feeder & Wagons etc.
Bags are also useful if relatively small quantities of specialist fertiliser is needed, I only need 3 bags of DAP
- Location
- Northumberland
Looks like we are going to need more front weights on the front of the Claas 
- Location
- Ceredigion
4.9 acres at 3cwt to the acre . Cant they round it off
- Location
- DD9.
From logistical point of view, 750kg sound like a pain.
Say they’re made t fit nice and neat on 40-45ft of trailer, fair enough. But I can’t see how they’d be handled efficiently with every where set up for 600kgs.
the jump from500 t 600 wasn’t so bad,100kg/bag and you could still squeeze a lift of 6 onto the 540-70 although it didn’t like it and the “updated” (weaker) front axles didn’t last. So over time they gave way to 560 s and manitou 845s.
But t go from a lift of 6x600 to 6x750 means gross going from 3600 to 4500. Won’t get away with it, you’re not gonna be able t stack them 4 high in sixes at the bagging sites, so you either replace all the handlers at the Yara bagging/loading sites or continue with current ones lifting in 3s or 4s and stacking less efficiently on prime (expensive) dockside infrastructure.
Handling will initially take longer, cost more and delay delivery t farms, especially when everyone who’s put off the haulage all through winter suddenly realises its mid feb and starts getting arsey with the hauliers about delivery
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i don’t think it’s a good idea
Say they’re made t fit nice and neat on 40-45ft of trailer, fair enough. But I can’t see how they’d be handled efficiently with every where set up for 600kgs.
the jump from500 t 600 wasn’t so bad,100kg/bag and you could still squeeze a lift of 6 onto the 540-70 although it didn’t like it and the “updated” (weaker) front axles didn’t last. So over time they gave way to 560 s and manitou 845s.
But t go from a lift of 6x600 to 6x750 means gross going from 3600 to 4500. Won’t get away with it, you’re not gonna be able t stack them 4 high in sixes at the bagging sites, so you either replace all the handlers at the Yara bagging/loading sites or continue with current ones lifting in 3s or 4s and stacking less efficiently on prime (expensive) dockside infrastructure.
Handling will initially take longer, cost more and delay delivery t farms, especially when everyone who’s put off the haulage all through winter suddenly realises its mid feb and starts getting arsey with the hauliers about delivery
.i don’t think it’s a good idea
Have all my Yara N and N+S in tonne bags now
- Location
- South Molton
Well it wasn't your nickname that's for sure!
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
Seems Yara already do 750kg bags in Ireland. Anyone on here used them?
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