Yara want to move to 750 kg bags

[yellow belly]

1 tonne here
1 in the middle the 2 into the spreader

I have a trailer that can carry 12 1 tonnes bags but not 3 rows of 600s so caries a lot less

on a waggon get 2 wide so less than with 600 kg bags 3 wide

750 would mean only 1.5 tonnes per lift

with 1 tonne 2 tonne at a time
with 600s 4 at a times at a push

 

[Cowabunga]

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ICI made 750kg bags many years ago. They called them 'dumpies' and they were a bit of a disaster. They were wide and low with very cheap semi-pallets at the base so they could be handles by forklifts and be stacked higher than otherwise.
The issue with 750kg bags has already been mentioned. They just cannot be taller than current 600kg bags or they will not be able to be safely handled in and out of a curtainsider. If wider, they do need to be wide enough to fill the width of a curtainsider with two bags instead of the current three 600 kilo bags. I suspect that such a bag would hold a ton, which would be fine for most farmers but someone like me handle them with an average size skid steer which is rated for 750kg maximum.

So if a bag can be designed to efficiently utilise truck transport space while not exceeding 750kgs I'm all for it with one reservation. That is small farmers with concentrated fertiliser like AN 34.5% with an application rate per dose of sometimes no more than 150kgs/hc where one 750kg bag opened is enough to cover 5 hectares or 12 acres. If you only have 2 acres left to spread, or anything less than 8 really, opening and emptying a 750kg bag is an expensive exercise when a bag may well cost £200 one of these days.

 

[Bobthebuilder]

The main reason they went to 600kg bags was to get the weight on wagons

 

[Tarw Coch]

If the bags are wider they won’t fit 3 across the wagon. If they’re taller, especially urea, they will be too tall to lift with forks under a curtain sider roof.

Are they moving to a bag size that will only fit 2 across the wagon bed, or will it only be be for products other than urea?

My guess would be for products other than urea, they do say for some products.
A standard urea bag would quite comfortably hold 750kgs of most other products.
Not sure what they’d be like for stacking though, 600kg bags of nitrogen are noticeably less stable than 500’s, I’m not sure 750’s would be safe stacked.

 

[KeithS]

ICI made 750kg bags many years ago. They called them 'dumpies' and they were a bit of a disaster. They were wide and low with very cheap semi-pallets at the base so they could be handles by forklifts and be stacked higher than otherwise.
The issue with 750kg bags has already been mentioned. They just cannot be taller than current 600kg bags or they will not be able to be safely handled in and out of a curtainsider. If wider, they do need to be wide enough to fill the width of a curtainsider with two bags instead of the current three 600 kilo bags. I suspect that such a bag would hold a ton, which would be fine for most farmers but someone like me handle them with an average size skid steer which is rated for 750kg maximum.

So if a bag can be designed to efficiently utilise truck transport space while not exceeding 750kgs I'm all for it with one reservation. That is small farmers with concentrated fertiliser like AN 34.5% with an application rate per dose of sometimes no more than 150kgs/hc where one 750kg bag opened is enough to cover 5 hectares or 12 acres. If you only have 2 acres left to spread, or anything less than 8 really, opening and emptying a 750kg bag is an expensive exercise when a bag may well cost £200 one of these days.

Could use one of these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184348878596

 

[icanshootwell]

As stated above, bulk is your answer.

Would be interesting if it got damp, I can put up with the odd dodgy bag, but 25 ton in a heap.

 

[Boohoo]

The main reason they went to 600kg bags was to get the weight on wagons

They say that but 600s take up more space and you always hit the weight limit before you get the floor covered.

 

[DaveGrohl]

The main reason they went to 600kg bags was because they wanted to and didn't care what you and I think.

FTFY. You're welcome.

 

[Bobthebuilder]

They say that but 600s take up more space and you always hit the weight limit before you get the floor covered.

Normally get 47 bags/load 28.2t with space for maybe 2 more bags, if they were 500kg bags that would take 56 bags to get 28t and they wouldn't fit on trailer, 37x750kg would be 27.75t

 

[Fish]

Would be interesting if it got damp, I can put up with the odd dodgy bag, but 25 ton in a heap.

Got a fair bit more than that heaped up, 100 t of urea in one bunker+ k and AS in two others. Concrete walls, no plastic covers, some has been sat there for more than 5 months, still as dry as the day it went in.

 

[Boohoo]

Normally get 47 bags/load 28.2t with space for maybe 2 more bags, if they were 500kg bags that would take 56 bags to get 28t and they wouldn't fit on trailer, 37x750kg would be 27.75t

500kg bags go on 4 bags wide and the last full load of 500s I did I had room for another 16 bags.

 

[yellow belly]

Would not want to store AN in bulk
May not have a shed left the bigger the bulk the more likely it over heats and becomes unstable

 

[thorpe]

Normally get 47 bags/load 28.2t with space for maybe 2 more bags, if they were 500kg bags that would take 56 bags to get 28t and they wouldn't fit on trailer, 37x750kg would be 27.75t

WHAT happened to the customer knows best ? we always wanted 500kgs , we ended up with you will have what youre given!

 

[Bobthebuilder]

500kg bags go on 4 bags wide and the last full load of 500s I did I had room for another 16 bags.

Never seen a load of 500s 4 wide used to get the odd ones with bags on top of the bottom layer to make the weight up, but the HSE weren't keen on that at the loading sites

 

[vantage]

If you only have 2 acres left to spread, or anything less than 8 really, opening and emptying a 750kg bag is an expensive exercise when a bag may well cost £200 one of these days.

Just get a funnel/spike that goes in the base of the bag and allows you to draw off a small amount.

 

[Bobthebuilder]

Had P&K in last year on wagon and drag, if he went onto site with full fuel tank they wouldn't put full load on as he was over weight, lucky there was a garage a few100 yards from site, so he would go in with low fuel get a full load and come out to garage and fill up

 

[tr250]

Last 2 years I’ve had all mine in ton bags- can’t see why you’d have anything different. 3 bags in the spreader- done. 7 trips to unload a wagon with a standard set of pallet forks

I don’t know that many big farmers with a machine that lifts 4 tons recon your showing off

 

[Boohoo]

Never seen a load of 500s 4 wide used to get the odd ones with bags on top of the bottom layer to make the weight up, but the HSE weren't keen on that at the loading sites

We always loaded them 4 wide, whether on pallets or as top lifts. Maybe where yours were loaded they lifted 6 at the time. 3 wide would spread the weight better because with 4 wide there's space front and back.
I remember the Yara poster about getting more weight onto lorries but could never understand it because whatever I was driving, rigid, rigid and drag or unit with various length trailers I always hit the weight limit before the floor was full.

 

[Lincsman]

Would not want to store AN in bulk
May not have a shed left the bigger the bulk the more likely it over heats and becomes unstable

Dont think you are allowed to?

 

[Boohoo]

I don’t know that many big farmers with a machine that lifts 4 tons recon your showing off

One place I used to collect fertiliser from loaded 4 ton at the time across the lorry, had a JCB 416 dancing on the front axle