Sheep theft and offenders caught.

manhill

Member
police presence in the countryside is a joke, 2 police cars for the rural part of somerset at night. And their is no deterrent with sentencing, it's a joke, the CPS think rural crime is petty, rustling ? that only happened in the USA, give us a crime number, and go away. With brexit, our home office minister, seems to be making the right noises, but if the judiciary won't allow criminals to be deported, in case they are discriminated against, do we actually stand a chance ? Me, i would be a hang and flog them judge ! Definitely a popular view, but illegal !
Need to give them a fair trial and then hang them.
 

manhill

Member
Oh, I would make them pay for their own food, water and heat and there's be a pit in the corner of their earth floored rat infested hovel where they could take a dump. Can't pay? We'll take it away. They wouldn't be allowed out into the sun or their hovel even for a second for the first five years and they would get no clothes or bedding just in case they topped themselves. Any complaint and a finger would be cut off, one at a time. You could get a whole lot more people in prisons if you kept them in a four foot by five foot six cell, with a five foot ceiling.

Do you think I'm being too soft on them? These are the ones who I didn't sentence to hang slowly by their necks of course, after hanging upsidedown by their ankles for two days first to soften them up; the ones who stole a lipstick or a packet of wine gums from a shop.

On a more serious note, thieving scum really should be taken more seriously with some effort made to catch and convict and with way higher sentences imposed. Six months in porridge for a first offence might put a few off offending for a second time. Three strikes and you're out should be the normal with 'out' meaning a real ten years inside to protect decent people from the scum.
You need to man up, your first paragraph indicates you're a bit of a libtard! No we have to really crack down on them.
 

solo

Member
Location
worcestershire
Sheep thefts have started being reported again.11 Suffolk cross yearlings taken from fields near Chaddesley Corbett, Kidderminster between 25th and 31st March. 7 two month old lambs from Clent, Hagley mid March and 1 sheep from Evesham bundled into a black Mercedes car. 30th March. Latest report was a young farmer being surrounded by 20 youths trying to climb on a moving tractor whilst working in fields near Stourbridge. Farm and garden shed break ins are also becoming common for power tool theft. There’s a theme of lawlessness becoming the norm.:mad:
 

yellowbelly

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
Sheep thefts have started being reported again.11 Suffolk cross yearlings taken from fields near Chaddesley Corbett, Kidderminster between 25th and 31st March. 7 two month old lambs from Clent, Hagley mid March and 1 sheep from Evesham bundled into a black Mercedes car. 30th March. Latest report was a young farmer being surrounded by 20 youths trying to climb on a moving tractor whilst working in fields near Stourbridge. Farm and garden shed break ins are also becoming common for power tool theft. There’s a theme of lawlessness becoming the norm.:mad:
So they can't do anything until they find someone who reports a sheep missing??
What about asking the 'suspects' for a bill of sale from the person who they say sold them it??....
...or asking them what their holding number is???......
.....or asking them why they haven't got an AML1 form??....
....or don't all the thimgs that we farmers have to comply with applly to random blokes with a live ewe in the back of a car??

Makes you wonder why we bother with all that sort of stuff if it's not a legal requirement.
 
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som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
So they can't do anything until they find someone who reports a sheep missing??
What about asking the 'suspects' for a bill of sale from the person who they say sold them it??....
...or asking them what their holding number is???......
.....or asking them why they haven't got an AML1 form??....
....or don't all the thimgs that we farmers have to comply with applly to random blokes with a live ewe in the back of a car??

Makes you wonder why we bother with all that sort of stuff if it's not a legal requirement.
well it is, to law abiding people, the dodgy ones mean hassle and paperwork, easier to quietly forget. It isn't that far in the past, they hung you for stealing a sheep, obviously a serious crime then, today ? unwelcome hassle of limited importance.
 

solo

Member
Location
worcestershire
Unless far more deterrent is facing these people then things will not improve. An officer quoted,with reference to hare coursing, that they would not eradicate the problem, so would only try to keep a lid on it. This is Not what victims of crime want to hear. :mad:
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
So they can't do anything until they find someone who reports a sheep missing??
What about asking the 'suspects' for a bill of sale from the person who they say sold them it??....
...or asking them what their holding number is???......
.....or asking them why they haven't got an AML1 form??....
....or don't all the thimgs that we farmers have to comply with applly to random blokes with a live ewe in the back of a car??

Makes you wonder why we bother with all that sort of stuff if it's not a legal requirement.

and transporting livestock in an unsuitable vehicle...?

Maybe a post on their FB page and point out the correct procedure they should follow....
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
years ago we had a dozen or so, ewes appear, no eartags, and very dirty, as close to main road, pretty sure someone had pulled up, checked his load, these were 'down', and chucked out, monetary value low'
Rung police, they would look into it, nfu asked round, never heard another word, that was the value placed on returning property, to rightful owners, we tried, got nowhere and ended up with some ewes, for nowt.
 

JSmith

Member
Livestock Farmer
if plod can't trace ewe by tag WTF is the point of tagging:mad:
Because all of us dicks just roll over an except these rules, apart from being handy for us as management tools, it’s just another job creating exercise so they can hand out a few more yellow coats an name tags!! They’ve been pinching ewes round us for the last two years an not once have they traced a tag back to where the sheep came from!! Trading standards told me that personally an they weren’t bothered because there was no one they could aggravate!! When they caught the two guys with the four ewes in the car the police just dumped them back in the nearest field of sheep they could find which happened to be a big gang of tegs that were on tack keep, handy if they’d got scabb!! They’re clueless, an I’ve offered to help educate them numerous times an you may as well talk to yourself
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
Its a disgrace that livestock thefts do not seem important or worth investigating by the police. They just do not seem to have a clue about how or what it involves and the impact it has on farmers.
 

yellowbelly

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
They’re clueless, an I’ve offered to help educate them numerous times an you may as well talk to yourself
Same here. We've a near neighbour who runs all sorts of farming based courses who's even offered to run one on movement licences, tagging, etc for the police, after all the thefts round here, but they're not interested.
 

yellowbelly

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
Wheres trading standards in these cases? Surely at the very least it should be a multi agency investigation .
Maybe so, but here it just complicates the job. Trading Standards think the police are doing stuff and vice versa. It ends up with neither of them doing anything and they let the buggers get away with it.
 

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