Shortest Day 2023

Danllan · Dec 21, 2023

yin ewe said:
OK so today is the shortestish day........

The penultishort day...

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Still Farming said:
Been 21st for ever!

And everywhere, except in the real world...

Solstices and Equinoxes: 2001 to 2100

The dates and times of Solstices and Equinoxes are given for the 21st century (2001 to 2100) for Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).

www.astropixels.com

Rich_ard · Dec 21, 2023

Still Farming said:
Been 21st for ever!

Except this year!

Still Farming · Dec 21, 2023

Rich_ard said:
Except this year!

Not necessarily

jendan · Dec 21, 2023

Wilksy said:
To get all scientific, it gets a cock’s stride lighter everyday, anyone else heard that expression?

My grandmother used to say it.

yoki · Dec 21, 2023

hoff135 said:
Wouldn't need to get up so early

"No point getting up yet, it's still dark"

I'll try it and let you know how it works out!

Devil's advocate · Dec 21, 2023

Jsmith2211 said:
After this year, i doubt i'll even complain if theres a drought.

Well... I wont complain as much anyway! Far better to be able to get on the ground and make the hay without sinking or getting rained on and not have so much of it than to have tons and tons of grass but not be able to do anything with the damned stuff.

A drought does more damage after a wet winter than a dry one. Depending on soil type.

Devil's advocate · Dec 21, 2023

Yorkshire light at 8 am

North of Scotland light at 9 am

Does that mean Devon light at 7 am.

Shall have a look at buying a farm there.

Really long summer days like Scotland, just wear you out too.

Bwcho · Dec 21, 2023

gone up the hill said:
20th Jan is when you actually notice the days starting to get longer!

Get the Xmas crap out the way and we shall soon be there

I'll have to remember to keep an eye out around then. Something to look forward to.

Bwcho · Dec 22, 2023

Wilksy said:
To get all scientific, it gets a cock’s stride lighter everyday, anyone else heard that expression?

Yes, there's a Welsh saying which is an exact translation - "Dydd yn ymestun cam ceilog".

It's a common saying in our family but never heard anyone else say it. I also didn't know it was a saying in English either.

Always found it an odd one, as the days get longer by 2 minutes daily....must have been a cockerel with mobility issues they were comparing it to.

FonterraFarmer · Dec 22, 2023

choochter said:
@FonterraFarmer

Shortest day??? Feck has the world gone mad???
Bloody long days , about 27°c yesterday and you can see the perspiration just by doing nothing.
Forced to drink cider to stop dehydration!!! Whisky will make me sleepy.
Luckly Emma isn't here, she'd confiscate the pinot noir!!!

robs1 · Dec 22, 2023

I'm sure that the combination of Brexit and climate change must have changed the date of the shortest day by now

PSQ · Dec 22, 2023

[Reboot]

Happy Shortest Day everybody!

I love the shortest day, as even though tomorrow's day length is only +5 seconds it feels like we're over the hump with a (hopefully) warm spring coming into view.

Jerry · Dec 22, 2023

Devil's advocate said:
Does that mean Devon light at 7 am.

sadly not…..

Sunrise and sunset times in Devon

Calculations of sunrise and sunset in Devon – England – United Kingdom for May 2024. Generic astronomy calculator to calculate times for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset for many cities, with daylight saving time and time zones taken in account.

www.timeanddate.com

Poorbuthappy · Dec 22, 2023

In practice the shortist amount of actual daylight is weather and moon dependent.
Last few days have been better than the previous week as there's been less cloud cover and the moon is getting brighter.
Seemed dark all afternoon several days last week.

I always think once we get past the Christmas and New year festivities the difference is noticeable and starts to feel positive.

yoki · Dec 22, 2023

robs1 said:
I'm sure that the combination of Brexit and climate change must have changed the date of the shortest day by now

..............and made it considerably shorter!

yoki · Dec 22, 2023

Poorbuthappy said:
I always think once we get past the Christmas and New year festivities the difference is noticeable and starts to feel positive.

The earliest roots of 'Christmas' can be traced back to a pagan festival celebrating what was seen as the return of the sun.

So Christians have been conned to a considerable degree by being persuaded to celebrate Jesus' birth on a date which has no evidential base whatsoever, when actually the true Christian festival should be Easter which has biblical verification as to when it happened.

Poorbuthappy · Dec 22, 2023

yoki said:
The earliest roots of 'Christmas' can be traced back to a pagan festival celebrating what was seen as the return of the sun.

So Christians have been conned to a considerable degree by being persuaded to celebrate Jesus' birth on a date which has no evidential base whatsoever, when actually the true Christian festival should be Easter which has biblical verification as to when it happened.

"Conned" is an interesting use of word.
Plenty will argue Christians have hijacked a pagan festival for Christmas.
Though you could argue the Christian festival of Christmas has since been hijacked by the gods of materialism and consumerism.

Christians still celebrate Easter too of course.

Whatever it means to you, have a good Christmas, and take time to reflect, and be with those who matter to you.

fgc325j · Dec 22, 2023

David. said:
Been noticing track of the Sun, always amazing how low it is compared to summer.
20th Jan we shall have gained an hour.
Do what you have to do, and be kind to yourselves.

For me - the first game of the 6 Nations means we are half way through winter, and the morning of the last game is the time to grease the ferteliser spreader.

yoki · Dec 22, 2023

Poorbuthappy said:
"Conned" is an interesting use of word.
Plenty will argue Christians have hijacked a pagan festival for Christmas.

Fair point, there simply isn't enough historical evidence to ascertain how quickly or willingly Christianity came onboard so I suppose it is entirely possible that an existing festival celebrating a significant event in nature was indeed selfishly "hijacked" by Christianity as opposed to them being coerced.

As for "materialism and consumerism", well haven't those two things just pretty much hijacked the entire planet and for 365 days of the year.

Devil's advocate · Dec 22, 2023

Poorbuthappy said:
In practice the shortist amount of actual daylight is weather and moon dependent.
Last few days have been better than the previous week as there's been less cloud cover and the moon is getting brighter.
Seemed dark all afternoon several days last week.

I always think once we get past the Christmas and New year festivities the difference is noticeable and starts to feel positive.

I tend to notice the days getting longer if we have a cold bright period.

We can't do as much when frosty so a few days of early finishes & when it comes milder, oh its lighter too. 15 minutes a week soon adds up.

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