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Tubbylew

Member
Location
Herefordshire
I never had such criticism as when I had a hedge in a village laid. By local hedge laying master. Incommers....they know fudge all.
Apparantley, the done thing, is to warn the local council's hedge officer before you coppice anything, so they can deflect the inevitable complaint before it starts. I'm getting weary of justifying myself to the ignorant.
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
someone on another thread here 3 or 4 months ago, shared a great guide to hedge maintenance, really good.

If you can find a copy, the BTCV handbook on hedges was a masterpiece

 

delilah

Member
Anything Richard Mabey writes is going to get my support before I have read it. On this I see the plastic guards as a distraction, the real issue is why the fudge is the taxpayer paying out all this money for 'hedges' that produce no environmental benefit whatsoever due to being kept like lines of bonsai. I decided years ago that the only reason it goes on around here is to be taxpayer funded pikey barriers.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Anything Richard Mabey writes is going to get my support before I have read it. On this I see the plastic guards as a distraction, the real issue is why the fudge is the taxpayer paying out all this money for 'hedges' that produce no environmental benefit whatsoever due to being kept like lines of bonsai. I decided years ago that the only reason it goes on around here is to be taxpayer funded pikey barriers.

Hedges can afford protection to fauna and flora.

Will be Same payment for a small bush type and a 4m wide 2m tall Devon bank with hedge and ditch both sides!
 

Tubbylew

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Hedges can afford protection to fauna and flora.

Will be Same payment for a small bush type and a 4m wide 2m tall Devon bank with hedge and ditch both sides!
There are additional supplements for top binding, and stakeing, casting up, and "substantial pre-work" and iirc difficult lengths slopes over 20 degrees... I think..
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
There are additional supplements for top binding, and stakeing, casting up, and "substantial pre-work" and iirc difficult lengths slopes over 20 degrees... I think..
That's about work that can vary immensely on varying hedges.

I was thinking more on the capacity of a hedge to deliver benefits
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
I know where you're coming from .
But when an article starts with farmers pull out hedges for big machinery without explaining why, ( farmers are the bad boys again ) it's sets the precedent for the rest of the article, seemingly we grubbed them out just for our big machines and not the desperate need for food at that time. I agree that new hedging isn't the perfect replacement for what was naturally growing in these areas, but it is a good start to encourage the birds and wildlife, who in turn introduce seeds over time to fill in the hedging and in time a diverse variety of hedging and native plants returns.

Sadly, the ones currently being removed legal length by legal length over a number of years are being removed because of big machinery. Some 'farmers' just don't give a, alas. They're young, too.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Don’t hedges that are ‘paid for by the taxpayer’ have to up a certain planting spec, as well as subsequent management (at least until the contract ends)?

I know hedges that are planted as part of a Glastir scheme have to be planted at 7 per metre, in a staggered double row.
If the taxpayer is paying for double fencing, they have to be at least 2m apart.

There is then a minimum height that it can be cut to in the following years, although some daft buggers just let them grow tall and straggly instead.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Anything Richard Mabey writes is going to get my support before I have read it. On this I see the plastic guards as a distraction, the real issue is why the fudge is the taxpayer paying out all this money for 'hedges' that produce no environmental benefit whatsoever due to being kept like lines of bonsai. I decided years ago that the only reason it goes on around here is to be taxpayer funded pikey barriers.
Hedges in Wales to get a grant, have to be double rows (staggered), with no more than 75% one variety, and double fenced to keep animals out, 3m wide, so obviously if you don't have those rules in England you are working to a very different standard ~ but I am sure the rules would be pretty similar in England, maybe someone could enlighten us? And I will say, if there is a rabbit problem, guards are a must, just lucky here that I am so high up in the hills that they are not a problem.
 

Tubbylew

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Hedges in Wales to get a grant, have to be double rows (staggered), with no more than 75% one variety, and double fenced to keep animals out, 3m wide, so obviously if you don't have those rules in England you are working to a very different standard ~ but I am sure the rules would be pretty similar in England, maybe someone could enlighten us? And I will say, if there is a rabbit problem, guards are a must, just lucky here that I am so high up in the hills that they are not a problem.
The requirements are similar but the payment rates are a fair bit different iirc.
 

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