Its kicking off again in Holland

wanton dwarf · Jul 27, 2022

Turnip said:
From the Dutch public broadcaster. Google translated

A1 bij Voorst voorlopig dicht, meeste andere wegen weer open na branden

Op meerdere plekken leidden aangestoken hooibalen langs de snelweg tot oponthoud.

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Definately crossed a line, people are allowed to protest but this isn't it.

Be thankful it hasn't turned into a Civil War.

People can only put up with so much.

If anyone has to have their property seized then I guess they should "Show them how it's done" and take the Politicians property and assets.

Good luck Holland, the Dutch people are lovely and don't deserve this hatred.

Turnip · Jul 27, 2022

wanton dwarf said:
Be thankful it hasn't turned into a Civil War.

People can only put up with so much.

If anyone has to have their property seized then I guess they should "Show them how it's done" and take the Politicians property and assets.

Good luck Holland, people are lovely and don't deserve this hatred.

Yawn, civil war are you kidding me, can't see that happening. Complaining seems to be a national hobby of almost any western country, rioting as a step up, but organisational capacity for a civil war is severely lacking.

wanton dwarf · Jul 27, 2022

Turnip said:
Yawn, civil war are you kidding me, can't see that happening. Complaining seems to be a national hobby of almost any western country, rioting as a step up, but organisational capacity for a civil war is severely lacking.

You do realise that posting that comment when there is video of roads being blocked in Holland looks more thn a bit foolish ?

With Social media I would have thought it's very easy.

They just need to target Politicians. No member of the public will support taking other peoples property.

Turnip · Jul 27, 2022

wanton dwarf said:
You do realise that posting that comment when there is video of roads being blocked in Holland looks more thn a bit foolish ?

With Social media I would have thought it's very easy.

They just need to target Politicians. No member of the public will support taking other peoples property.

there is a big step up from rioting to civil war.

wanton dwarf · Jul 27, 2022

Turnip said:
there is a big step up from rioting to civil war.

No need to riot or wage war.

A nice quiet little coup - as we've seen in Sri Lanka.

If the Politicians turn nasty they'll lose immediately.

Turnip · Jul 27, 2022

wanton dwarf said:
No need to riot or wage war.

A nice quiet little coup - as we've seen in Sri Lanka.

If the Politicians turn nasty they'll lose immediately.

True but Sri Lanka was seeing mass protests and those protests had broad active support. What we learn from the Netherlands are opinion polls without people actually actively supporting them. In the end the majority will choose status quo.

wanton dwarf · Jul 27, 2022

Turnip said:
True but Sri Lanka was seeing mass protests and those protests had broad active support. What we learn from the Netherlands are opinion polls without people actually actively supporting them. In the end the majority will choose status quo.

The whole population doesn't need to support or oppose physically.

Only a few thousand people are needed to take out government buildings.

Devil's advocate · Jul 28, 2022

wanton dwarf said:
The whole population doesn't need to support or oppose physically.

Only a few thousand people are needed to take out government buildings.

We have votes in western Europe, what you advocate is silly.

wanton dwarf · Jul 28, 2022

Devil's advocate said:
We have votes in western Europe, what you advocate is silly.

Name a political system in the West that isn't undermined by the United Nations, European Union, ECHR, WEF, DAVOS, Committee for Climate Change etc.

What choice do I have ? None.

What I advocate is the removal of a bunch of self serving liars. If you want to keep them, you pay for them.

Devil's advocate · Jul 28, 2022

wanton dwarf said:
Name a political system in the West that isn't undermined by the United Nations, European Union, ECHR, WEF, DAVOS, Committee for Climate Change etc.

What choice do I have ? None.

What I advocate is the removal of a bunch of self serving liars. If you want to keep them, you pay for them.

Why is your choice of vote more important than other peoples.

Usually 8 choices or more on the voting ballot. If you want to vote for someone with crazy views different to the majority that is your right.

People with pitch forks & slurry tankers walking on parliment is not the answer, even when parliment is wrong. Vote them out.

Bald Rick · Jul 28, 2022

Hungry people are angry people.

WWIW, I am seeing increasingly desperate (& ordinary) folk being interviewed on TV about the cost of living .... and the normalisation of food banks.

I do genuinely think we will be seeing rioting in the streets before the year is out

Hilly · Jul 28, 2022

wanton dwarf said:
You do realise that posting that comment when there is video of roads being blocked in Holland looks more thn a bit foolish ?

With Social media I would have thought it's very easy.

They just need to target Politicians. No member of the public will support taking other peoples property.

They would turn the internet off if it looked remotely like civil war .

ski · Jul 28, 2022

That there is a lot of discontent 'out there' is demonstrably true. It covers a good percentage of the globe. There is not a single person or body that can definitively explain the causes but there are many who claim knowledge on the solution or solutions. The level of discontent is growing not abating which must mean either the same amount of people are more frustrated or more people are joining the frustrated group or both combined. I think the latter. The 'current system' is gradually eating its own which means those on leading edge of the system are being pushed into the mal-contents camp as they find their situation deteriorating by whatever metrics they uses to asses their own position.

Therefore one has to conclude that this trend shows no sign of slowing down let alone changing. It means we are not yet close to any significant changes in how the systems are managed or governed and so there will be continued and growing discontent with a resultant build up of frustration which if allowed to increase will develop to some form of tipping point. When, not if, that happens as can be seen from historical events it will lead to either some from of revolt which may or may not be successful. It will be need to be either be brutally put down or brutally successful or if there maybe an outside chance that a 'cometh the hour cometh the man' moment might happen and a figure may appear with enough foresight and wisdom who can read the mood and lead a wholesale re-shaping of society.

Personally my money is on big tears before bedtime and burnt fingers from playing with the fire.

wanton dwarf · Jul 28, 2022

Devil's advocate said:
Why is your choice of vote more important than other peoples.

Usually 8 choices or more on the voting ballot. If you want to vote for someone with crazy views different to the majority that is your right.

People with pitch forks & slurry tankers walking on parliment is not the answer, even when parliment is wrong. Vote them out.

Eh ? In 2016 we voted in the Brexit referendum. Biggest turn out in history. All EU laws are still in existence AND they gave the EU everything with a cherry on top.

Devil's advocate said:
I'm sorry, going to make myself unpopular.

The Dutch Government is wrong & there should be political debate & peaceful protest.

However we are at war with Russia & it is important that we win. The farmers should go home & look after their farms.

You're the crazy one who thinks we are at war with Russia.

wanton dwarf · Jul 28, 2022

Bald Rick said:
Hungry people are angry people.

WWIW, I am seeing increasingly desperate (& ordinary) folk being interviewed on TV about the cost of living .... and the normalisation of food banks.

I do genuinely think we will be seeing rioting in the streets before the year is out

A lot of people are going to be cold and upset. Old people don't tend to riot but they will get organised.

redsloe · Jul 28, 2022

Bald Rick said:
Hungry people are angry people.

WWIW, I am seeing increasingly desperate (& ordinary) folk being interviewed on TV about the cost of living .... and the normalisation of food banks.

I do genuinely think we will be seeing rioting in the streets before the year is out

Unfortunately I also see people being interviewed about the critical situation in Dover where people are delayed for up to 5 hrs no less while queuing up to go on their holiday.

And let's not forget that Heathrow are limiting travellers to just 100,000 people a day!

Of course I'm stupid because I work hard to provide for my family and haven't left the country for 20 yrs.

People aren't hungry yet.

delilah · Jul 28, 2022

The funny thing is, if someone had started a thread on here where they shared an article about XR advocating civil unrest, you would all, to a person, be giving them a right good kicking.

Could it be that most folks on here do actually understand that the environmental/ social justice movement is your ally, and global corporations are your foe, but you are too proud/blinkered to admit it ?

Bald Rick · Jul 28, 2022

redsloe said:
Unfortunately I also see people being interviewed about the critical situation in Dover where people are delayed for up to 5 hrs no less while queuing up to go on their holiday.

And let's not forget that Heathrow are limiting travellers to just 100,000 people a day!

Of course I'm stupid because I work hard to provide for my family and haven't left the country for 20 yrs.

People aren't hungry yet.

Lot of those are turning a blind eye (or more probably burying their collective heads in the sand) as report after report says people don't have savings and/or massive debts.

Farmers are, by and large, insulated from day to day costs as the business often carries these

ski · Jul 28, 2022

delilah said:
The funny thing is, if someone had started a thread on here where they shared an article about XR advocating civil unrest, you would all, to a person, be giving them a right good kicking.

Could it be that most folks on here do actually understand that the environmental/ social justice movement is your ally, and global corporations are your foe, but you are too proud/blinkered to admit it ?

What is just and what is un-just. This gets to the heart of the matter. The ethics of the just war.

wanton dwarf · Jul 28, 2022

delilah said:
The funny thing is, if someone had started a thread on here where they shared an article about XR advocating civil unrest, you would all, to a person, be giving them a right good kicking.

Could it be that most folks on here do actually understand that the environmental/ social justice movement is your ally, and global corporations are your foe, but you are too proud/blinkered to admit it ?

The XR people have secure lives, some living on government benefits and professional protesters - motivated by extreme political messages from the UN, EU, Committee for Climate Change.

The Dutch farmers have been pushed into a corner to defend their way of life from Political Extremism. I have no doubt the Dutch farmers are also indirectly protecting many people from losing their food supply.

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